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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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This seems like an escalation. How would both sides continuing to escalate play out? Trump would probably get banned at some point, especially if his tweets start to endanger rank-and-file Twitter employees (inspiring death threats, etc.). How likely is he to get injunctive relief if he gets banned? I don't think Trump has thought this conflict through completely.

Given that this is an election year, I imagine that he is absolutely going to intentionally try to get himself banned - then spin the whole "liberal-bias-censorship" card.

...and it might work. These sorts of stories play riiiight to the centrist/libertarian/independents - whom he's grooming to not be afraid of showing up in person to the election booth in November.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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They fucked this up so badly. They could have just banned him and said "It's a free country and they felt like it." Instead they're trying to high-road, and it's.. such a mistake.

We'll, they're certainly escalating. I don't think that Trump actually wants to shut Twitter down, nor does he want to get banned there. The banning would rile up his base, but it would do so at the expense of his primary channel of communication. This action puts the ball back in Trump's court and asks him how far he wants to actually go.

let the white house spin up its own activitypub instance, then.

shouldn't public communications occur on public infrastructure?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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I'm just going to say again that I can't for the life of me understand why people are in agreement that this tweet glorifies violence. It is a call to stop being violent lest violence increase. Looting always leads to shooting. This is a simple fact. I'm horrified that so many people think me saying that is glorifying violence. I don't understand it in the slightest. Seeing this tweet by Trump get silenced absolutely…

This raises an interesting point. I think the realistic truth is that Trump doesn't really have a precise idea about what he's saying quite a bit of the time. His defenders rush in, and shape his words into their best possible light, and of course his opponents shape his words into their worst possible light. Which version did Trump mean? Almost certainly neither: his modus operandi has been to say many vague things,…

You may be right.

My only nit with what you said is with this: "when people are looting, it's unfortunately almost inevitable that there will be violence."

I would say that looting is violence. I would further add three things. 1. that self defense is justified when violence against your person and property is committed. 2. Even more importantly, it is the job of the police to stop these violent crimes, at gunpoint if necessary. 3. Even more tellingly, if anybody here's livelihood or home was getting looted that person would be calling the police to do their job.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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The valley being an echo chamber doesn’t necessarily mean those implementing this have their heads in the sand. It can’t be all perfectly achieved, but to do nothing, as they were before, could be now determined to be a worse case than providing these annotations to flagrant misuse by the highest impact profile that they can’t do away with entirely.

The issue is that the rules are being enforced selectively. Just this week Twitter fact checked Trump's opinion on mail voter fraud by linking to other experts' opinions. It seems more like a move to influence the election rather than enforcing the rules.

> The issue is that the rules are being enforced selectively.

It's not only acceptable but actually ethically correct to hold those with more power to higher standards of responsibility.

It's therefore not only acceptable but actually ethically correct to enforce these rules more proactively against the President of the United States than some Russian bot account.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1266340243134963712 EDIT: Scroll down a bit, the original poster made their account private a few moments ago

Damaging property is not violence.

It literally is part of the definition https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Fact-checking obvious lies is a "progressive value"? Wow, that really shows how bad things have gotten.

If the lies are obvious, why do they need "fact checking"?

Because, for better or worse, the sources of truth that normal people historically relied on for their barometer of what is true or not have been democratized by the internet.

We live in a world where a substantial number of people believe the earth is flat, that 5G cellular is a mind control scheme, that vaccines cause autism, that COVID-19 was created by a political party, that the concept of climate change is manufactured, or that major national crises are actually just actors being paid to further a political narrative.

Most of these ideas aren't new, but in decades past you might have heard about them from a conspiracy-therorist neighbor, a low profile website, or an alternative magazine with little reputation of its own.

Now, these ideas are spread on the exact same platforms as objectively truthful / scientifically sound media. Your Youtube conspiracy theory channel is right next to the BBC's videos. Your viral Facebook post could be from the New York Times, or it might be from a propaganda organization - or worse, an account that looks like a normal person but which was specifically created to spread misinformation that seems plausibly truthful.

Credibility is distributed and anyone can publish to a huge audience, which is wonderful sometimes, and othertimes deeply problematic, because the viewer often doesn't know enough to distinguish fact from fiction and can't trust the publisher at face value anymore.

Its uncharted territory. The cost to distribute is zero, and ideas spread far and wide - but that means that there are equally as many incredible sources on any given topic as credible ones, and telling the difference is hard, and sometimes not knowing the difference is dangerous. Dunning-Kruger writ large.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Why is this reply being downvoted? It is merely informative.

It shows the actual words, which are hard to spin. If we keep what was done vague, we can spin it any way we please.

That's interesting. I interpreted it the exact opposite way. That looking at the words - they don't seem so bad, so the liberal-minded HN users downvoted to keep the details away.

Funny how personal bias can twist perceptions.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

#480

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

Eh? Do you have any examples? This is nothing new, Twitter has been applying this standard to tweets for a very long time (it's part of their ToS!). It usually results in deleting your tweet or an outright ban. The only difference here is that they've kept the tweet up since they deem it to be in the public's interest.

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