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Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by jamespollack »

golergka wrote: post #457
jamespollack wrote: post #325

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"not hiring a good candidate is way better than hiring someone who turns out to be bad." is it though? CA is at-will employment, so there's literally nothing stopping a company from firing someone that isn't working out (besides timidity on the part of the person who would have to do the firing). "when hiring, you want to play it safe" personally, i'd rather tell some people it's not working out than miss out on incr…

> is it though? CA is at-will employment, so there's literally nothing stopping a company from firing someone that isn't working out (besides timidity on the part of the person who would have to do the firing). Last I checked, I was 9700 kilometers away from California. Not everybody on HN is from Silicon Valley. > personally, i'd rather tell some people it's not working out than miss out on incredible talent because…

> Last I checked, I was 9700 kilometers away from California. Not everybody on HN is from Silicon Valley.

So... you have strong labor where you live? Where do you live? Employment is not at will? Everyone gets a contract with a specified time? Saying you live far away doesn't address whether employment is at-will where you live.

> Then you've never seen one bad hire destroy whole teams.

Nope, never have. Ever. My anecdotes are as good as yours.

> This thesis has no null hypothesis...

Lots of word salad there, let me break it down for you: without speaking to someone to learn more, your interpretation of "desperation" based on their resume or what jobs they apply for alone is a projection of your own insecurities. Maybe they like several of the jobs at your company and could do them equally well. Just because you would feel "desperate" if you did that doesn't mean everyone does. All your gymnastics about hypothesis and arguments don't actually address any of the real issues that the post is about. Pretty self-congratulatory about knowing words.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by jamespollack »

dang wrote: post #343
jamespollack wrote: post #328

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exactly! if you're taking home the same salary whether you're creating massive value for the company, why bother?

Self-respect?

From an HN admin this is pretty off-putting.

If I work for a company and I'm earning them millions of dollars, you're saying that I don't deserve to be compensated proportionally, I should just give them my time and effort because of "self-respect"?

This explains why you always silence my replies on the Who's Hiring posts. If you truly think that people should work for 'self-respect', no wonder you hate it when I ask that companies post about their hiring requirements: length of process, type of interviews, projects and whether they're paid, etc.

Obviously you think we should all do those things for free because of our "self-respect". You must be rich AF already to have that kind of attitude.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by jamespollack »

dang wrote: post #383
cambalache wrote: post #364

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If you tie your self-respect on how useful are you to the company that pays you, you are fucked. For them you are just a number.

Of course, but it could be the other way around: doing your best work as a consequence of self-respect, not the cause.

What are you on about?

Here's the post I replied to below, it said nothing about self-respect. You're the one who brought that up and still haven't explained how compensation factors into your "best work" / "self-respect" chain. Please, do share.

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> Congratulations, you are now 3-10x developer. Congratulations. You are still getting paid the same.

Boosts in productivity need to come with boosts in pay, otherwise the logical thing to do is to scale back your effort to a point where the amount you get done matches the amount you get paid for.

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To which I said, "exactly! if you're taking home the same salary whether you're creating massive value for the company, why bother?"

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So, if someone generates 10x more value than the person next to them, you think they should both be paid the same (while the company reaps the immense profits) and that nobody should complain about the situation because of their "self-respect"? Wild.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by jamespollack »

jamespollack wrote: post #472
dang wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self-respect?

From an HN admin this is pretty off-putting. If I work for a company and I'm earning them millions of dollars, you're saying that I don't deserve to be compensated proportionally, I should just give them my time and effort because of "self-respect"? This explains why you always silence my replies on the Who's Hiring posts. If you truly think that people should work for 'self-respect', no wonder you hate it when I ask…

edit: he did not delete my comment, it was below the fold. sorry. my question is still the same though.

yup, dang already deleted my comment on Who's Hiring. what's your issue with engineers being able to compare processes between companies?

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by dang »

jamespollack wrote: post #474
jamespollack wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From an HN admin this is pretty off-putting. If I work for a company and I'm earning them millions of dollars, you're saying that I don't deserve to be compensated proportionally, I should just give them my time and effort because of "self-respect"? This explains why you always silence my replies on the Who's Hiring posts. If you truly think that people should work for 'self-respect', no wonder you hate it when I ask…

edit: he did not delete my comment, it was below the fold. sorry. my question is still the same though. yup, dang already deleted my comment on Who's Hiring. what's your issue with engineers being able to compare processes between companies?

I did not delete your comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23045720).

I'll try to come back and reply to your posts in this thread later.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by dwaltrip »

jamespollack wrote: post #472
dang wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self-respect?

From an HN admin this is pretty off-putting. If I work for a company and I'm earning them millions of dollars, you're saying that I don't deserve to be compensated proportionally, I should just give them my time and effort because of "self-respect"? This explains why you always silence my replies on the Who's Hiring posts. If you truly think that people should work for 'self-respect', no wonder you hate it when I ask…

> If I work for a company and I'm earning them millions of dollars, you're saying that I don't deserve to be compensated proportionally, I should just give them my time and effort because of "self-respect"?

Companies offer compensation based on a combination of the possible alternatives for that individual and cultural norms. If they know you can't get more elsewhere and the given amount is not vastly outside of the accepted norms (e.g. such that leadership feels morally satisfied and the company isn't at risk of harm due to a possible societal backlash), why would they offer you more?

Of course, some companies care about norms more than others. And I don't think it is ever the primary factor.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by jamespollack »

dwaltrip wrote: post #476
jamespollack wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From an HN admin this is pretty off-putting. If I work for a company and I'm earning them millions of dollars, you're saying that I don't deserve to be compensated proportionally, I should just give them my time and effort because of "self-respect"? This explains why you always silence my replies on the Who's Hiring posts. If you truly think that people should work for 'self-respect', no wonder you hate it when I ask…

> If I work for a company and I'm earning them millions of dollars, you're saying that I don't deserve to be compensated proportionally, I should just give them my time and effort because of "self-respect"? Companies offer compensation based on a combination of the possible alternatives for that individual and cultural norms. If they know you can't get more elsewhere and the given amount is not vastly outside of the…

Companies literally collude to keep salaries down.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo...

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by jamespollack »

dang wrote: post #475
jamespollack wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

edit: he did not delete my comment, it was below the fold. sorry. my question is still the same though. yup, dang already deleted my comment on Who's Hiring. what's your issue with engineers being able to compare processes between companies?

I did not delete your comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23045720 ). I'll try to come back and reply to your posts in this thread later.

that's on me, looks like it was below the fold and is still there for now. but you're likely about to send it to the bottom for being off-topic, like you did last month. i've posted the same thing for 3 or so months in a row and there haven't been any changes. it's not even like you have to do anything other than say, "Please include some of this info".

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by dwaltrip »

jamespollack wrote: post #477
dwaltrip wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I work for a company and I'm earning them millions of dollars, you're saying that I don't deserve to be compensated proportionally, I should just give them my time and effort because of "self-respect"? Companies offer compensation based on a combination of the possible alternatives for that individual and cultural norms. If they know you can't get more elsewhere and the given amount is not vastly outside of the…

Companies literally collude to keep salaries down. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo...

Yes, many (not all) companies are morally and ethically compromised to varying degrees. The law should attempt to reduce these harms where possible.

I don't think this significantly affects what I wrote above.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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Post by seangrogg »

flukus wrote: post #429
seangrogg wrote: post #400

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I feel like this is a case of "probably shouldn't have a default". SQL should likely be a default consideration but if you're going to say "time to build an app, let's spin up a (insert thing here) to store data" rather than "Let me take some time to consider what my data looks like and select a data persistence strategy accordingly" then you're probably going to wind up also writing a "how my team migrated from to b…

It makes sense as a default because it will be the correct choice 99% of the time. Even when no-SQL is the better option it tends to be a better option for only part of the application. Picking it as the default would make us wrong less often.

I question whether it's the "correct choice 99% of the time" or if, anecdotally, you're making the same kind of application and using technology you're comfortable with rather than considering alternatives.
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