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Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more

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> Isn't that exactly what we're seeing now? If "that" is the cause-effect relationship claimed above, no we are not "seeing" this right now. There is a huge difference between events and the narratives, accurate or otherwise, which some people use to explain those events. The system under consideration is insanely complex, with an immense list of causal factors at play. To me, in my opinion, it's obvious that the cau…

This opinion requires a great deal of justification.

Can you be more specific, please? Not all of my comment was mere opinion.

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Sure, but people took those jobs in large part because of those pensions. It is part of the entire compensation package. They often times took less money up front in return for better pensions. The problem is that this was not properly budgeted for when funding the pensions.

"They often times took less money up front in return for better pensions." That is no longer the case when compared with comparable private sector jobs since at least the early 2000s in many parts of the country.

I have never seen this to be the case. Do you have any data?

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In 2014 the federal government provided 40.9% of Mississippi's state budget. How is that not relevant to the state budget? As a percentage of state budget being provided by the federal government, 13 of the top 15 recipients are red states. https://ballotpedia.org/Federal_aid_to_state_budgets

Very simple answer: blue states have bigger budgets so the % of aid they receive from the government seems smaller. The Federalist has done an analysis of federal aid per resident : >Against a national average of $1,935 in intergovernmental spending per American, red states receive just $1,879. Blue states get considerably more, at $2,124 per resident. Purple states see the least of their money returned to them per c…

It's hard to have much ability to impart good faith when you intentionally exclude the amount of money paid in by blue states. The money the federal government is paying to red states is (...mostly) coming from somewhere.

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> Rent control, nimbyism, etc all backed by the current government have made the housing market a hellscape. The question is if California is soooo bad. Why are smart, intelligent people coming here? Why does capital still invest here? Part of the answer is other places in the US are slowly failing. So many of the problems have to due with California serving as a refuge from failed economic and social policy in other…

If California is so great, why are so many people moving away? [1] California is being propped up by the tech industry because historically the biggest tech companies are headquartered here, which caused all the talent to be clustered here, and then new tech companies were forced to be here to attract that talent. Obviously, smart, intelligent people move here because jobs are here, and capital invests here because t…

Anecdote: Friend manages a call center in California. Couple of years ago Texas using a bunch of sleazy tax incentives tried to get the center moved from California to Texas. Friend said none of the gay boys wanted to move. And parents were horrified by the idea sending their kids to public school in Texas. Move never happened as a result.

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Real questions. I'm not a history buff. Has there ever been a time in US history that the federal government has been so openly antagonistic and overtly willing to attack opposite-party state governments? If so, what were the outcomes? If not, is there anything even close? Current question - what is the endgame for those who what blue states to go bankrupt? What do they get if that happens, outside of talking points?…

I can try to give you the most "good faith" argument in favor of allowing Blue States to go bankrupt. There's a caveat here that the Federal laws will need to change a bit to allow States to go into packaged restructuring. And to ensure that we are bailing out specific individuals to ensure that they are not too negatively affected. One of the strongest arguments against "bailouts" of large corporations is that it ne…

I think you've missed the point behind why bankruptcy is bad. It's bad because it directly harms the people living in that state, which is something you didn't addressed at all in your post. It's hyper-focused on taxation and economic performance. It's callous.

States pay first responders - medics, firefighters, police, teachers - fund projects, and invest in their communities. State governments themselves employ huge amounts of people. They fund homeless shelters and food banks and all sorts of public services. It would be incredibly harmful to these communities to have their support systems that they depend on removed. Not to mention not being able to pay first responders during a crisis. Hows that for a moral hazard?

I also do not see how your post addresses the fact that blue states are overwhelmingly net contributors in federal taxes, and how red states are overwhelmingly net takers. It seems like it warps your view of price discovery, since the government has for decades guaranteed the bond prices of red states. The consistent federal allocation of tax money towards the everday failure of red states totally discredits your theory weeding out "institutional rot" during a crisis, and of optimal taxation.

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Jefferson’s opinions on political processes changed drastically after the French Revolution, by the by.

What's an example?

Personally, it made him cool significantly on France, which is in pretty stark contrast to where he started. He ended up siding with Hamilton on expelling the French diplomat who both threatened American neutrality, and was kind of gearing up to try and overthrow George Washington. And Jefferson hated Hamilton.

Politically, it moderated him significantly. He started off as very pro-revolution, pro “watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants and patriots”, and by the end he ended up regretting France not shifting into a constitutional monarchy. This is after both witnessing The Storming of the Bastille in person (he was an ambassador then), defending the September Massacres[0], and knowing quite a few people who were executed during the terror.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Massacres

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His unwillingness to not solve the state's pension problems should be applauded. the amount of unfunded liabilities is in the hundreds of billions of dollars and approaching a trillion if it has not passed that already. This all happened because the number of public servants who are pulling in over 100k has skyrocketed... 100k+ in retirement.. with millions past 50k! Think about that 50k in pay plus medical. These pe…

People need to understand, the value of a 100% of final-salary pension for people earning 100K retiring at 55-60 is likely millions . It's even worse with the games people play with PTO and other benefits (where they bump pay 20-30% in their last year to get that pension benefit for the rest of their lives). Look at the average retiree's 401(k) balance for comparison and it gets pretty clear how unfair this is. There…

> where they bump pay 20-30% in their last year to get that pension benefit for the rest of their lives

I've heard this claim many times before. Is there data supporting this or did a handful of people do it and word spreads like it is far more common that actual.

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His unwillingness to not solve the state's pension problems should be applauded. the amount of unfunded liabilities is in the hundreds of billions of dollars and approaching a trillion if it has not passed that already. This all happened because the number of public servants who are pulling in over 100k has skyrocketed... 100k+ in retirement.. with millions past 50k! Think about that 50k in pay plus medical. These pe…

People need to understand, the value of a 100% of final-salary pension for people earning 100K retiring at 55-60 is likely millions . It's even worse with the games people play with PTO and other benefits (where they bump pay 20-30% in their last year to get that pension benefit for the rest of their lives). Look at the average retiree's 401(k) balance for comparison and it gets pretty clear how unfair this is. There…

I saw that a hundred times at a small school district in Southern California. As retirement nears (age 55-59), take a promotion from the classroom to the district office, and a $50-75K pay raise. Three years later, that is the salary used to calculate your pension payments... For life.

I live in a neighborhood with two firefighters who were captains, retired at 50, and make over $100K a year. It's totally unsustainable.

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People need to understand, the value of a 100% of final-salary pension for people earning 100K retiring at 55-60 is likely millions . It's even worse with the games people play with PTO and other benefits (where they bump pay 20-30% in their last year to get that pension benefit for the rest of their lives). Look at the average retiree's 401(k) balance for comparison and it gets pretty clear how unfair this is. There…

It's one thing to "restructure" the comp package for future employees, and something else to change compensation arrangements retroactively after your employers have upheld their end of the deal.

I don't think it's quite that black and white.

The deal that was struck was between the government workers and the voters at that time. That deal, more or less, said that future tax payers would pay for their pension. As a group, those then future and now present tax payers don't have much of a moral obligation to follow a deal that they never agreed to. And the workers don't get to act indignant that their pensions are in question. Their unions negotiated the agreement and chose to let the buck be passed instead of insisting on pensions being fully funded.

The bargain was, at least in part, corrupt. The various public unions would campaign for and help elect those that would give them more money. An obvious conflict of interest that raises questions on why a shady deal should be upheld.

The pensioners are, in general, gaming the system. They artificially inflate earnings at the end of their career to pump up their pension. Nepotism is rampant and there are plenty of positions with absurd salaries for what they do. They've sold out new entrants in their field to protect their own pensions. In general they're a bag of dicks. Fuck them.

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post #195

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I can try to give you the most "good faith" argument in favor of allowing Blue States to go bankrupt. There's a caveat here that the Federal laws will need to change a bit to allow States to go into packaged restructuring. And to ensure that we are bailing out specific individuals to ensure that they are not too negatively affected. One of the strongest arguments against "bailouts" of large corporations is that it ne…

I think you've missed the point behind why bankruptcy is bad. It's bad because it directly harms the people living in that state, which is something you didn't addressed at all in your post. It's hyper-focused on taxation and economic performance. It's callous. States pay first responders - medics, firefighters, police, teachers - fund projects, and invest in their communities. State governments themselves employ hug…

> I think you've missed the point behind why bankruptcy is bad. It's bad because it directly harms the people living in that state, which is something you didn't addressed at all in your post. It's hyper-focused on taxation and economic performance. It's callous.

Taxation and economic performance are essentially the 2 core predictors for any political entity's prosperity. This is true of any nation in the world, from Germany, Denmark, Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, etc. The core thesis is that we want States to be as prosperous, if not more prosperous than those countries. There's no way to get there without digging ourselves out of the fiscal hole — or if you believe in it, MMT. And unless we totally swap out the governing decision-makers responsible for digging States into the fiscal hole in the first place, this will keep happening again and again. It's the same reason bailing out big banks and corporations is also bad.

> States pay first responders - medics, firefighters, police, teachers - fund projects, and invest in their communities. State governments themselves employ huge amounts of people. They fund homeless shelters and food banks and all sorts of public services. It would be incredibly harmful to these communities to have their support systems that they depend on removed. Not to mention not being able to pay first responders during a crisis. Hows that for a moral hazard?

Going into bankruptcy doesn't change any of this, it just means that they get to keep the funds that they borrowed in order to pay for all of those things without having to pay back bond-holders. The bond-holders lose. Then the next thing that happens is that the credit rating falls, and they would have to pay higher interest rates on future bonds. This is definitely painful in the short-term, but institutional investors will continue to have some appetite for higher-yield bonds for near-term projects. In the long-term, credit ratings can change if the people of a State elect better leaders, and the State can take out lower interest-rate bonds. California had a BBB credit rating in 2003, and through strong leadership and good policy, raised their credit rating up to an A+ rating in 2006.

Additionally, States can also raise revenue by raising taxes. State taxes are awfully low. Those services, while good and important, aren't free — and their societies need to pay for them through sustainable taxation. The marginal income tax rate in the US is lower than it was in a lot of the 20th century — Illinois, California, New York, etc can all raise taxes to fill in that void. In most European countries, the middle class income tax rate is what pays for most programs, and is far higher than the middle class tax rate in the US. Another avenue that States can look into.

> I also do not see how your post addresses the fact that blue states are overwhelmingly net contributors in federal taxes, and how red states are overwhelmingly net takers. It seems like it warps your view of price discovery, since the government has for decades guaranteed the bond prices of red states. The consistent federal allocation of tax money towards the everyday failure of red states totally discredits your theory weeding out "institutional rot" during a crisis, and of optimal taxation.

Yes, fiscally irresponsible Red states should also declare bankruptcy, and all of this applies to them as well. 2 things can be true at the same time: we should ensure that there is a mechanism to weed out long-run institutional corruption/rot in both Red and Blue states, and we should also reduce transfer payments from net contributors to net takers. If there is a net contributor that ends up having to go through bankruptcy restructuring they should be able to use their surplus to weather the short-run fallout.

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