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YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by foolinaround »

akersten wrote: post #415
foolinaround wrote: post #222

Youtube has actually been censoring content it does not agree with for quite a while, and unless it hurts us in some personal way, we have been ok with it getting away. eg., Youtube has been censoring a lot of conservative content. They won in court[1] Youtube cannot have it both ways. Either they are a publisher and if so, must be fully responsible for the content they host. Or they are a platform, and they need to…

> Youtube cannot have it both ways. Either they are a publisher and if so, must be fully responsible for the content they host. Or they are a platform, and they need to be neutral. As demonstrated by the court case you mention, that is false. I am surprised how tightly people cling to this notion, which has no basis in reality.

can you please be clearer? What is false?

Do you think youtube is a platform? even, a monopoly of sorts?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by dredmorbius »

lostsock wrote: post #129
drummer wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This version contains an important piece at the end, additional 3 minutes: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cmjYRJXKixY

Wow, the last three minutes are very illustrative! Just watch for yourself. https://youtu.be/cmjYRJXKixY?t=3761

"If you stomp on our freedoms, that has one ending, and that's violence", after talking about gun stores selling out of ammunition.

Something tells me the medical angle isn't the only one these guys are pushing.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by teh_infallible »

zouhair wrote: post #470
ColanR wrote: post #447

It's too bad that we are so quick to silence those who we perceive as wrong. Apparently, the doctors in the video were using incorrect facts; I wouldn't know, the video is gone. Discussion is being prohibited, wherever there is an approved expert to say the viewpoint is wrong. If dissention is labelled dangerous, and dissenting voices on important subjects are silenced, then we are creating an echo chamber with no re…

It's with your logic that we have the anti-vax movement, the anti-gmo one, flat-earthers and so on and so forth.

Do you feel threatened by voices you disagree with? Aren’t dissenting voices and debate pillars of our democracy?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by snowwrestler »

autoexec wrote: post #427
montroser wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea a private company should be forced to use their resources to host content they deem harmful to humanity seems obviously wrong. Of course they should have the right. YouTube is not a public service. "Free speech" does not mean you also are entitled to a platform and an audience.

> "Free speech" does not mean you also are entitled to a platform and an audience. "Free speech" is a right but also an ideal. When speech is being silenced (de-platformed) or people (the audience) are forbidden from hearing it even when they want to, it violates those principles. > YouTube is not a public service. Youtube is a powerful and unique resource without meaningful competition which I think does give them a…

> When speech is being silenced (de-platformed)

This is a ludicrous equivalency; by this standard YouTube is also “silencing (deplatforming)” people who don’t have computers because it’s not giving them resources to help them make and post videos.

Deplatforming is not silencing. The default state of an individual in society is no platform. People who want platforms should build them.

> Personally, I think that education is always better than suppression.

You do not need to give people bad information to educate them. You only need to give them good information.

I can teach you that 2+2=4 without spending hours belaboring all the numbers that 2+2 does not equal.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by teh_infallible »

cowholio4 wrote: post #309

Not only were they completely wrong with their numbers, they even were wrong in their assessment of Fauci. They said they “are actually seeing the patients, Dr Fauci hasn’t seen a patient in 20 years.” In 2015, Dr Fauci personally helped take care of an Ebola patient when most of the world was terrified of Ebola. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/why-nihs-anthony-fau...

Maybe they were wrong, and maybe they weren’t. If we can’t see their video, we will never know.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by zouhair »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #361
cowholio4 wrote: post #309

Not only were they completely wrong with their numbers, they even were wrong in their assessment of Fauci. They said they “are actually seeing the patients, Dr Fauci hasn’t seen a patient in 20 years.” In 2015, Dr Fauci personally helped take care of an Ebola patient when most of the world was terrified of Ebola. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/why-nihs-anthony-fau...

Suppose you're right. Does it justify censorship? Fauci can defend himself, and the docs are welcome to express their opinions. What gives Google/YouTube the justification to silence them?

> Does it justify censorship?

Yes, they are wrong and they will cause deaths if they are allowed to peddle more unsubstantiated bullshit. This is not a philosophical debate, people are literally dying.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by john_minsk »

zouhair wrote: post #470
ColanR wrote: post #447

It's too bad that we are so quick to silence those who we perceive as wrong. Apparently, the doctors in the video were using incorrect facts; I wouldn't know, the video is gone. Discussion is being prohibited, wherever there is an approved expert to say the viewpoint is wrong. If dissention is labelled dangerous, and dissenting voices on important subjects are silenced, then we are creating an echo chamber with no re…

It's with your logic that we have the anti-vax movement, the anti-gmo one, flat-earthers and so on and so forth.

Great. Don’t have problem with that. Why do you?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by James_Henry »

teh_infallible wrote: post #473
zouhair wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's with your logic that we have the anti-vax movement, the anti-gmo one, flat-earthers and so on and so forth.

Do you feel threatened by voices you disagree with? Aren’t dissenting voices and debate pillars of our democracy?

Perhaps people feel like these dissenting voices are threatening the pillars of our democracy!

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by 0xDEEPFAC »

r0s wrote: post #429
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppose you're right. Does it justify censorship? Fauci can defend himself, and the docs are welcome to express their opinions. What gives Google/YouTube the justification to silence them?

> Suppose you're right. Easy to verify, why suppose anything? > censorship? On a privately owned site? Try again.

I would like to think about it another way. Suppose you are a "Youtuber" and you have tens of thousands of subs and use it as an income. You agree to their guidelines and they, in turn, become hugely popular due to your content and your fellows. But their guidelines grow more vague and harsh randomly and without warning.

Now, Youtube closes your channel, again, without warning or explanation. You don't have the money for a lawyer to sue and contract laws continue to trend Youtube's favor to control creators - esp. if those that go against political narratives that are officially "untrue." Alphabet Inc censors results for China, you don't think they do it for the US?

Does that sound fair and just? Look at what happened to Alex Jones. Was he a nut - yea, but he was shut down across every platform at once. Which is censorship - good or bad.

There is a media cartel and they have grown to control the internet by waiting for good products and companys to come about and either killing them or corrupting them. Think Snapchat, Vine, Google, Youtube, Reddit, Ring, etc, etc.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by surfpel »

teh_infallible wrote: post #473
zouhair wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's with your logic that we have the anti-vax movement, the anti-gmo one, flat-earthers and so on and so forth.

Do you feel threatened by voices you disagree with? Aren’t dissenting voices and debate pillars of our democracy?

It’s all fun and games until your kid gets polio...
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