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Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by tripzilch »

scarface74 wrote: post #469
tripzilch wrote: post #460

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You really have no idea about the actual regulations do you? You're just arguing against a strict definition of the word "monopoly, which is utterly besides the point. Again, the regulations in the EU speak of the term "market dominance", in order to decide whether a case is anti-competitive or not. They do not (as far as I'm aware) mention the word "monopoly", except perhaps in a figurative sense.

Well, if I have “no idea”, please give an example of where “market dominance” was defined as narrowly as you’re trying to define it.

Well I'm not sure what you have been referring to, but there has been this one major tech-related anti-trust case in the EU recently, and it revolved entirely around abuse of market dominance:

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_19_...

The EU website should have all the further answers you need, all the cases, translated into all the languages, and the regulations written down in relatively simple language (you don't need a lawyer to understand). It's really all there:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/doing-busine...

There's even a search engine so you can look up all the cases.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by scarface74 »

tripzilch wrote: post #459
scarface74 wrote: post #362

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So can you give any examples in the US or the EU where such a definition has ever been used? In that case are all of the console makers “monopolies” since they have to approve both digital and physical media distributed on their platform? Does Apple also have a “monopoly” in the smart speaker market since they control what runs on the HomePod even though they are a distance third to Amazon and Google? What about the…

In the EU the rules against anti-competitive behaviour are based on market dominance . Remember that term. That is how Google got fined even if they don't have a strict monopoly. Even though it's technically incorrect to refer to these situations as "monopoly", that still happens in conversation. But if you then correct someone for not using the strict meaning of monopoly properly, then really you're just showing tha…

Yes and Google has 70%+ mobile phone market share and was dominant in the search engine market. Neither is applicable to Apple.

* But if you then correct someone for not using the strict meaning of monopoly properly, then really you're just showing that you are unaware of the regulations around anti-competitive behaviour. The actual rules don't mention "monopoly", they are centred all around market dominance.*

I guess if I’m “unaware” so is both the EU and the United States since you still have failed to show where either government has defined a monopoly as a minor player nor has either government defined a market as narrowly as you’re trying to. What next? Apple has a monopoly on smart speakers running whatever variant of iOS that the HomePod runs?

What random posters on HN “mean” by monopoly is irrelevant.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by scarface74 »

tripzilch wrote: post #471
scarface74 wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if I have “no idea”, please give an example of where “market dominance” was defined as narrowly as you’re trying to define it.

Well I'm not sure what you have been referring to, but there has been this one major tech-related anti-trust case in the EU recently, and it revolved entirely around abuse of market dominance: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_19_... The EU website should have all the further answers you need, all the cases, translated into all the languages, and the regulations written down in relatively simpl…

Well, your “examples” was concerning the “market” for search engines where Google is the dominant player. Not some made up market of “search engines you can access by going to google.com”. The same type of “market” you are trying to make up for iOS.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by scarface74 »

bsder wrote: post #470
scarface74 wrote: post #415

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If that’s the case, that my assertions are shallower than the real world application, where is the real world application of any definition of “monopoly” that the EU or the US has applied to platforms that don’t even have 50% market share?

I have already demonstrated that Standard Oil was broken up in spite of not being a "monopoly" or having more than 50% market share. That is an example--you can look up others. I have no duty to continue to engage to someone who can't exhibit simple reading comprehension or basic use of Google.

So how does that apply to the mobile phone market almost a century later? Again “words mean things”. Luckily, as I’ll informed as the government is they don’t define “monopoly” the way that random HN poster do. If that were the case they would say that Apple has a “monopoly” on smart assistants that can run on AirPods and they would break up that “monopoly” to.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by jjtheblunt »

jachee wrote: post #440
jjtheblunt wrote: post #321

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Your last sentence, in parentheses (yay, Lisp!), is what I was thinking. The person seems to be flagrantly defaming Apple, in tantrum fashion, because the person violated Apple rules and got scolded?

That's the thing... he doesn't know why he's locked out. They haven't "scolded" him or told him that he violated Apple rules. They simply locked him out and are giving him the silent treatment.

oh, that's more dysfunctional! yikes.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by qtplatypus »

anoncake wrote: post #448
qtplatypus wrote: post #447

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Your idea would compel companies to support speech that they don’t believe in. This is tantamount to forced speech.

The point of free speech is to make democracy work. There's no reason to grant it to companies.

So I can censor a newspaper company who is publishing things I disagree with?

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by anoncake »

klyrs wrote: post #468
anoncake wrote: post #467

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Where did I say anything about US law?

Aside from the Principality of Sealand, is there a country whose laws reflect your ideology? Genuinely curious. But to answer your question, apple is first and foremost a US company.

> Aside from the Principality of Sealand

Sealand doesn't seem all that socialist to me but I'm not very familiar with it.

> But to answer your question, apple is first and foremost a US company.

Rights != what the law says rights are. Else it wouldn't be possible for the state to violate your rights on a large scale.

Anyway, Apple is subject to the laws of every country it operates in.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by anoncake »

qtplatypus wrote: post #476
anoncake wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of free speech is to make democracy work. There's no reason to grant it to companies.

So I can censor a newspaper company who is publishing things I disagree with?

Of course, unlike the newspaper itself.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by qtplatypus »

anoncake wrote: post #479
qtplatypus wrote: post #476

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So I can censor a newspaper company who is publishing things I disagree with?

Of course, unlike the newspaper itself.

I don’t understand. Can the government control the contents of the newspaper and decide what the newspaper company may publish?
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