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Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by jmastrangelo » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 1:11 PM UTC

baddox wrote: post #209

diminoten wrote: post #196

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You couldn't be more wrong. You do not have an entitlement to intellectual property, our entire society is built on top of that concept. It's more like you're saying you get to use any logos you want because you can download the images for them on their website. The only reason you can listen to a concert outside of the venue is because there's no way to stop you that's also in any way proportionate to the crime. Edi…

You seem to be confusing the idea of entitlement with simply having the ability to do something. It's perfectly possible to download copyrighted content while also not feeling entitled to that content. If I look for a torrent for some movie, and I can't find a torrent, I don't throw a fit, because I don't feel entitled to that movie. If I do find the torrent and download it, cool, that still doesn't mean that I feel…

He's not saying you're acting entitled towards the content, (ie you'll throw a fit if you can't pirate it). He's saying you're acting entitled towards being morally justified in downloading the content for free from a torrent site.

It's perfectly possible to have an ability to do something and not be justified in doing it.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by jmastrangelo » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 1:15 PM UTC

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #313

diminoten wrote: post #303

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The internet is a free space, but so is reality; there's nothing actually physically preventing you from walking into a store, grabbing whatever you want, and walking out. You're not violating the laws of physics if you do that, in other words. However, laws apply, and on top of reality we've created a set of rules that are enforced, ultimately, by big burly people with guns. Nothing, to me, makes the Internet any di…

You are using hyperbole to straw man what is being said. If you go into a store and take a laptop, this is completely different from downloading a movie. If I could, I would download that laptop, and that, too, would be completely different from physically taking the laptop from the store, which robs the store owner from compensation. To use your argument, if I go into a store, look at a laptop but don't buy it, that…

Its not a straw-man its a very real comparison if you think about a physical copy of content vs a digital copy. When you bought a dvd in stores you paid more than the $5 it cost to manufacture, ship and store the physical medium. You payed mostly for access to the content therein, and gave that compensation to the creators of the movie.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by purple_ducks » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 1:37 PM UTC

mark_l_watson wrote: post #81

ghaff wrote: post #51

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Netflix seems to work through a VPN for me. I sometimes use it when content is geo-restricted.

Thanks, I will experiment with leaving my VPN on.

I use PIA vpn. netflix blocks that for every region/connection pair i've tried. i just leave it turned off and switch to torrent. netflix europe offerings are generally subpar.

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Post by remotecool » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:16 PM UTC

ripdog wrote: post #425

remotecool wrote: post #289

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It's worse than theft. When you steal a car, only that car is lost. When you infringe copyright on a massive scale, it dilutes the value of the original work and reduces the value of all future copies. This can be seen with music today. Rampant sharing made it so you can't really sell albums anymore. If you want to make a living, you almost have to go with a big label. It's also why most software companies have now h…

Absolute rubbish - and quite sadly I note that you're just parroting industry talking points. >This can be seen with music today. Rampant sharing made it so you can't really sell albums anymore. If you want to make a living, you almost have to go with a big label. This didn't happen due to piracy. Music piracy is dramatically down compared to the lofty heights of the late 00's. The culprit is music streaming platform…

You have this backwards.

Streaming services are only popular and accepted by big companies now because piracy reduced CD/album sales so much, they had no choice.

A sliver of the Indy artists got popular and signed with a big label after getting pirated so much (which was my point about requiring a label).

The rest make nothing on streaming sales (fractions of pennies) and forget about trying to sell an album. I suppose begging for donations on patreon might work, but it's not a very good way to make a living.

The culture acceptance of music piracy pushed all music in the hands of big corporations. To not admit this is not accepting the truth about your actions. It seems you want to justify your own piracy and ignore all of the negative effects it had on companies...which most likely led to the loss of many jobs.

I connect SAAS to software piracy because I've been in countless meetings over the past 5 years with business owners of software companies saying exactly what I told you.

If software can be turned into a service, it will be..because companies don't want to deal with lost sales, people that somehow think they can get free support with a pirated copy, and the spreading of misinformation when a pirated copy filled with viruses and malware is attributed to them.

Not to mention organic google keywords that lead to the pirated copies rather than the original..causing confusion, more lost sales, and harm to the company reputation.

As for the Immigration issue, blame the Democrats. When you have politicians pushing for open borders, it's difficult not to pay attention.

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Post by emptysongglass » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:19 PM UTC

Hitton wrote: post #264

WhiskeyJack55 wrote: post #231

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I use the free version of plex. Only pain in the ass is having to pay the ~$5 to authorize for a new android device to use the app. It does everything I need to watch my...personal home videos. I'm sure I could use a completely FOSS setup, but plex is convenient especially paired with...other services.

If you want completely FOSS setup, check out Jellyfin [0], it keeps steadily improving. [0]: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin

Not ready yet. Buffer interruptions are constant and the metadata scraper often tells you you have 7 seasons of the same Star Trek: TNG (for example) episode.

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Post by m-p-3 » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 2:25 PM UTC

They need to accept that collateral and put clear limitations (ie: x simultaneous users for x/month), or they'll end up alienating their userbase and we'll be back to square one with more users going back to illegitimate providers.

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Post by squarefoot » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 3:03 PM UTC

This is a lost battle. There are devices out there with a HDMI port in and Ethernet out that can remove any protection then stream everything on a broadband line. Make them upload to a decentralized service and just one user can cover an entire continent and beyond without sharing any credentials, and the traffic is encrypted so no way to bust the originating account unless either they get someone inside the circle, or hide different data among the streams so that they can be identified and shut down. Looks like some services are already doing this, but apparently the identification data is found and polluted/deleted.

Paying for use doesn't scale. It did when there were 2 good TV series, 3 good movies and a dozen interesting sports events per year, but today a normal user cannot pay for access to a fraction of a fraction of what is being produced, and paying for the single event is more costly than a yearly subscription. It simply doesn't scale anymore and should be rethought differently. Make the access to media arranged as flat rate for everything in categories, that is, Sports, Movies, TV series, News, Concerts etc. at a very convenient rate, say €5 per category, all included, per year. That would scale as hell, probably increasing the user base by two orders of magnitude. Fair advertising would do the rest. Of course this scenario doesn't go well with the principle of maximizing profits no matter what, and that old say "the best seller isn't the one whose customers are the most happy, but the one whose customers although angry would continue to buy anyway".

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Post by LeoNatan25 » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 3:04 PM UTC

archi42 wrote: post #446

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #222

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Would if I could. Still not theft. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What a glorious world that would be... I'd absolutely upload you a car, if you upload me a good drink. Or maybe we can put a FOSS car on GitHub?

I'm sure once such a project becomes technologically feasible, FOSS designs will happen.

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Post by LeoNatan25 » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 3:10 PM UTC

inapis wrote: post #467

Matthias247 wrote: post #404

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These things also suprise me, since my opinion is exactly the opposite: Content is so cheap nowadays, that it doesn't make any sense to look for illegal options anymore. If I pay 10$ for Netflix I get already more content than I can consume. And 10$ is not even that much for a non silicon valley non software engineering salary. I think even paying for multiple services shouldn't be an issue for people who actually ha…

I am in the same boat. Content is so affordable and accessible these days that I don’t understand why people get pissed about it. Part of the reason, I feel, is that there’s so much abundance of content and stuff that choosing becomes impossible. We feel FOMO and slighted if there’s content which is not already included in the service we are paying for. As consumers we have come to expect everything under the sun to…

I am not looking for free content. I am looking for content that is available conveniently, at a reasonable price, at high quality, available anywhere I want it to after purchase. I would gladly pay for

Ten different 10-15$ DRM-filled streaming services, that only allow me to watch 4K if the sun is 5 degrees above the equator and require being online always, is not that, and thus, I refuse to pay.

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Post by tenebrisalietum » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 3:32 PM UTC

jmastrangelo wrote: post #470

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #424

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If a work is truly useful, it's better for more members of a society to have it at a low cost. The other way around benefits one person at the expense of society.

Not true if the cost is too low to justify creators continuing to invest in such works.

Creators should get or have additional sources of funding that don't depend on restricting access.