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Match.com Used Fake Ads to Swindle Users, F.T.C. Says

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Re: Match.com Used Fake Ads to Swindle Users, F.T.C. Says

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Sorry, I don't buy it. Maybe if you're in your 20s this is true, but for people in their 40s, there's tons of women on the dating sites all looking for husbands, and as a man I've had plenty of success finding women to date (not so much in finding someone I have any interest in marrying though; there aren't that many attractive women left in the US at this age (because Americans are fat), and the ones who are left ha…

> but for people in their 40s, there's tons of women on the dating sites all looking for husbands Yes. There's tons of them because they can't get a husband and the supply/demand curve inverts across the genders. The time to secure a husband was back in their 20s when they were on the favourable side of the curve. Those women are pursuing partners that pursue much younger women. To cut it short, female overall partne…

>female overall partner disirability peaks in their 20-30s and then falls off. Male continues rising until their 80s.

There's a downside to this. Sure, as a man, you'll have a somewhat easier time as you get older because the male population is decreasing faster than the female population, but you have to be realistic: if you're 65, you're probably not going to be dating any pretty 30yo women, but you might have plenty of 55+ women to pick from. But if you only want to date physically attractive women, this imbalance in your favor isn't going to help you much, because at that age the women aren't looking too hot any more (especially in America, where obesity among women is rampant). So you might have tons of women chasing you, but you have no interest in any of them. And sure, you can proclaim that people shouldn't be motivated by looks, but men generally are, and that's usually how life-long relationships work out: the couple meets when they're young and there's physical attraction helping to bring them together, then they marry and age together, so when they're older their relationship is already established, so they don't need physical attraction too much. But for people looking for a new relationship, it's more important, and makes it harder to find a new relationship.

Re: Match.com Used Fake Ads to Swindle Users, F.T.C. Says

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post #368

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Sorry, I don't buy it. Maybe if you're in your 20s this is true, but for people in their 40s, there's tons of women on the dating sites all looking for husbands, and as a man I've had plenty of success finding women to date (not so much in finding someone I have any interest in marrying though; there aren't that many attractive women left in the US at this age (because Americans are fat), and the ones who are left ha…

"Sorry, I don't buy it. Maybe if you're in your 20s this is true, but for people in their 40s, there's tons of women on the dating sites all looking for husbands," Well, these women in her 40s rode the cock carousel far too long....

Not only is this offensive, it's just wrong. Lots of women at that age are single now because they were married, and are now divorced for some reason (like a good friend of mine whose husband shamelessly cheated on her and also stole their family money for unknown purposes (likely gambling)). This is around the age when lots of people, both men and women, find themselves back on the dating market because their marriage (or other LTR) fell apart, not because they were just avoiding serious relationships.

Re: Match.com Used Fake Ads to Swindle Users, F.T.C. Says

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Rewriting one of my earlier comments: I have used Tinder (owned by Match) before and it was one of the must frustrating experiences ever. First, they do shady things with your data. Since I made a Tinder account I been getting constant ads for random dating sites. This have been going on for months. God knows how many companies now have my data. Second, they employ dark patterns: 1) Easy account deletion. Why does th…

> 1) Easy account deletion. Why does that matter? Because they own nearly all dating sites. Including: "BlackPeopleMeet.com, Chemistry.com, Delightful, FriendScout24, HowAboutWe, Match.com, Meetic Group, OkCupid, OurTime, People Media, PlentyOfFish, Tinder, Twoo, Hinge" So, they don't care if they lose a user as long as they can shuffle them around.

This sounds like something the CCPA was trying to change.

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> Something will have to give at some point. Care to place any bets on what will happen? Obviously I can't prove this but I'd bet the inability to get into an emotionally stable (or any) relationship is one of the contributing factors to soaring youth crime across the world. It's not the only one (economy, political divide) but it's a biggie.

> Obviously I can't prove this but I'd bet the inability to get into an emotionally stable (or any) relationship is one of the contributing factors to soaring youth crime across the world. I can do you one better: if you look at history, whenever a society had large contingents of single, young men with little chance of entering into a relationship, that society invariably eventually went to war. Since most big playe…

> For example, most women prefer to date 'up'.

So my hunch was sorta correct? We've gone from most people marrying somebody they meet organically to "here's a list of candidates within N and their job title" which has massively magnified that particular behaviour.

> Apologies for the long response- the overarching subject is something I take quite to heart.

No problem! I was hoping for a response this interesting.

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"Shadowbanning on HN is mostly for new accounts that show signs of either spamming or trolling." You routinely shadowban people you disagree with. Or post-limit them. You don't get to act innocent here when I guarantee you're just as guilty of these dark patterns as every other site.

> You routinely shadowban people you disagree with We don't ban people we disagree with. If we did, hardly anyone would be left unbanned. As for shadowbanning, the practice is as I described it: if the account is established, we tell people we're banning them and why (your account was an example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15615092 ). If an account is new, different rules apply: we (meaning some combo of so…

"It's not hard to get an account unbanned and/or unpenalized if you really want to use HN as intended."

For the most part, I DO use HN as intended, IN SPITE of your shadowbanning. You just refuse to read my posting history to see that much.

This clearly shows I have more integrity than you, as you won't dare unhide any of my decent comments, instead preferring to make yourself look the victim by only unbanning my comments which you can unban to make me look bad. You're the real issue here, not me.

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Men are setting up emulator rigs to swipe right in parallel.

The app should create a fake account listed as a woman, but with a picture of a man and the text: Fake Account Ban anyone who swipes right on it. Or limit the amount of right swipes allowed per day.

Why go through all that trouble when you would get the exact same effect from banning people who swipe right on everyone

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It's no more presumptuous to assume OP is a straight male.

Right. If someone asks what a good dating app is then the better thing to do is to not assume sexual orientation or gender and recommend an app for all e.g. Tinder/Coffee Meets Bagel/Hinge? I mean, just thought it was weird for a complete stranger to recommend to another complete stranger a gay hookup app for men...

I just recommended Scruff first because that's where I met my partner, it's way more than just a sex app! They have events and a tinder like mode where you can only match with other people looking for a relationship.

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Is people misrepresenting themselves something you encounter frequently? Seems like a short sighted move.

It's completely understandable to put yourself out there as the best version of yourself, but yes I have frequently seen people exaggerating themselves to the point of misrepresentation. You see profiles with only pictures that clearly were taken 5-10 years ago, or only picture of the face with a filter so heavy they are barely recognizable. It is certainly short sighted because you can only hide behind a carefully c…

Right. And then you meet someone that doesn't meet your innate "affectional preference" and what do you do, leave? (Yes!)

What's funny is I didn't make any value judgements when I proposed a verified physical characteristics site. I never said that it's better to like fat or thin, or tall or short, or blonde or redhead, or bald or hairy, black or white. There's someone for everyone and that's great!

But it's not OK to lie about it, and hope the other person will overlook the fact that you are a liar or that you'll change your mind "once you get to know him/her"

Re: Match.com Used Fake Ads to Swindle Users, F.T.C. Says

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The app should create a fake account listed as a woman, but with a picture of a man and the text: Fake Account Ban anyone who swipes right on it. Or limit the amount of right swipes allowed per day.

Why go through all that trouble when you would get the exact same effect from banning people who swipe right on everyone

The reality is that they don't care at all. It's not in any way aligned with their incentives.

It's been a while since I've used Tinder, but they were rate-limiting swipes - unless you paid up for premium features.

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Most English speakers would say, "a woman who I was with for 3 years." In this case "with" is understood to mean in a romantic relationship. I don't think what you said is technically correct. "With whom I was" calls for something (a verb or phrase) to be tacked onto the end, but it would still be awkward. For example, "with whom I was dating for three years."

> Most English speakers would say, "a woman who I was with for 3 years." Actually, I'm pretty certain you're supposed to use "whom" there, not "who".

It depends on whether you are using who/whom as the subject or object. Who = subject, whom = object.
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