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Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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> gigabit with a 1 TB data cap and only 90 Mb/s upload Do you actually get that throughput or is it bullshit and you get 1/50 that rate? Post some real stats based on your own personal benchmarking which we can verify. Thanks.

This is aggressive and unnecessary language.

I strongly disagree with your corporate positioning and aggressive convenient spin that no "real person" would establish.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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> "upgrading our network" They actually where not doing this before because it's probably a bad idea. Modern cable networks look like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_fiber-coaxial#/media/Fi... Fiber goes to copper which then splits out to a large number of homes. The copper line near your home can do multiple gigabit but that needs to be shared with everyone else on the tree. So selling higher speeds is ea…

Basically every telecom network is built as fiber to the node not fiber to the premises. The nasty truth of all communication and transportation systems is that arteries are cheap and capillaries are expensive. If I am building roads, it is WAY cheaper to just build highways than it is to build the small roads to everyone’s homes. When doing construction for telecom, the payback calculations are based upon “passings”…

The brilliant part is how quickly Comcast makes back the money spent on cables laid to apartment complexes and projects. They can wire up 20-1000 apartments with copper coax and distribution boxes for something like $50,000 and have the infra and labor paid off in under a year. After that first year, the business is essentially a money printer - no incentive to innovate or rewire neighborhoods when you have no competition.

Since the cable internet standards haven't required new copper (DOCSIS 1->2->3.0->3.1) in over a decade, Comcast can simply upgrade one or two $100 boxes per complex, raise their prices and provide "faster" service while spending nothing on actual R&D.

They can outsource customer support to Southeast Asia, standards to CableLabs, modems to nearly any company in China, and even piracy detection to random firms like IP-Echelon. Don't forget - Comcast owns an enormous number of film studios and production companies. If there's anything approaching the digital media panopticon, it's Comcast.

I don't know if there's a better-positioned software company in the ISP business.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Prices vary from country to country on lots of things. How much does gas cost in France vs the USA?

he was not trying to get into a pissing contest, just showing what real competition can lead to. Another data point: I live in Hungary and pay $10 for a 1000Mbps up/200 down internet (plus I think they threw in a landline too, wasnt bothered to check) and could choose from 3 providers.

Adjusted for $ per Mbps-month, Coloradans under the Comcast monopoly pay ~100x what you do.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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I find it so hard to grapple that much of SF / Silicon Valley (supposedly the "innovation hub of the world") is subject to near-monopoly by Comcast. AT&T's offerings are 40mbps/5mbps in 2019. So that's obviously not an option. Even Comcast only has 250mb/10mb. In _silicon valley_. In 2019. I had WebPass in one building I was in in 2014, and had symmetric gigabit for $40/mo. Nothing like that has existed in any of the…

This also confuses me as a resident of South Bay Area...

I've been researching ISPs every once in a while to see if new ISPs are able to provide decent deals to where I live... As of right now, here seems to be my options...

- AT&T used to charge maximum 5mbps/512kbps (for like something ridiculous like 60$/month), until Sonic came around and started using their infrastructure. Now Sonic & AT&T both provide something like 75 or 50 mbps/5mbps internet (for again.. 60$/month)

- Unfortunately, Sonic only reaches me through AT&T so its basically the same.

- Comcast is what I use for 150mbps/5mbps (around 70$ a month). Recently(and currently) getting episodes of massive uncorrectables. Technician came and found that a coax connector outside was fried, and replaced it.... 5 days later, I'm still getting uncorrectables, so clearly that wasn't the only problem. Fortunately, I'm getting free 20$ every time i complain, so it's sort of worth? lol...

- I can technically request comcast for their 2Gbps, but I'm not down to spend a massive amount of money for the installation costs w/ the overpriced monthly price tag.

- Common Networks shows most promise, but they can't reach me (despite my city being listed as one of the primary areas).

Even just having symmetric 100mbps/100mbps would be a godsend to this shit ISP situation.

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Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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I live in the rural part of this county. We don’t get access to this service, so we rely on a small locally operated WISP for internet at our house.

I was chatting with this guy recently and he mentioned that getting bandwidth in between Denver and Fort Collins (Greeley, CO) is now insanely expensive. He thinks it correlates with this move by the city and they bought up a whole lot of data to backhaul down to Denver. As a result, his costs have increased a good bit.

I currently pay $79/Mo for 5/2mbps. I inquired about getting more of a 50/10 plan and he’s now quoted $250/mo. Ouch. According to him, he has to buy additional bandwidth in order to upgrade my speeds (some other neighbors have also inquired). I don’t think he’s pulling a fast one on me- he’s a neighbor and German and extremely serious at all times ;).

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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CenturyLink has been acting in what appears to be good faith within Denver city limits in the past few (~4) years or so. They've been offering gigabit fiber service in select parts of the city for around $60-70/month for at least that amount of time. While I agree with the general sentiment about large providers needing to do more for less and faster, it seems that CL is being a good corporate citizen in Denver at le…

In Fort Collins, CenturyLink only offers 80 MB down. Fiber from CL in Northern Colorado isn't even on the table.

I was among the first in Boulder CO to have gigabit internet installed circa 2014. Don’t think it ever moved further north than us.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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I'm taking this thread as an opportunity to pay Comcast a review I owe them as I recently became a first time customer with them: Comcast may have the best deal in most areas by virtue of monopoly, but I can guarantee you that the average customer ends up paying more. I agreed with a rep on $60 per month for just internet, nothing else. The bill comes and it's $83 with basic TV and a service charge. How they did this…

> I'm taking this thread as an opportunity to pay Comcast a review

No thank you, we're good without that!

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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My block is surrounded by blocks that all have gigabit fiber, but my block never got hooked up. Every year I ask, every year they have no comment.

If you can set up line of sight to an acquantance's home on a block with gigabit, you can spend a few hundred and connect up an Ubiquiti point-to-point connection. I did that recently with their Litebeam AC. I have always found Ubiquiti's products to be technically great (superb reliability at a reasonable price, configuration is fairly straightforward although may take some googling). Unfortunately their product ran…

I just set up a 40 acre property with WiFI coverage throughout using all Ubiquiti gear. Even put up some solar powered APs. Finding the right products wasn’t too bad, though it leaves some to be desired.

Their forums are pretty good and there’s tons of information on there for any conceivable project.

I’m very happy with all the gear, especially the Rocket 5AC Prism Gen2 with a 60 degree sector antenna. Holy cow those are powerful!

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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I'm taking this thread as an opportunity to pay Comcast a review I owe them as I recently became a first time customer with them: Comcast may have the best deal in most areas by virtue of monopoly, but I can guarantee you that the average customer ends up paying more. I agreed with a rep on $60 per month for just internet, nothing else. The bill comes and it's $83 with basic TV and a service charge. How they did this…

File complaints with any state and local govt agencies that will listen. SOS, ATG, UTC, etc.

The more complaints they have, the more regulators are empowered in taking action.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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CenturyLink, in particular, but also Comcast, has brought this upon themselves... They are doing everything they can to protect their existing infrastructure and do as little as possible to upgrade services. I'm thinking of back in '98 when QWest was rolling out DSL, the would only connect you to a central office. They refused to put DSLAMs in the pedestals, because if they did that they had to allow CLECs to do the…

> fibre to the home by the year 2000

weeps in fibre to the home axed for Australia in 2015

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