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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by danem »

damq wrote: post #466
danem wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And the idea that no one has a right to have their message amplified to millions is sort of insidious and evil. So I should have the right to force a private company to broadcast my message? Free of charge? People can host their content on other platforms if Youtube isn't working for them.

If that private company has a monopoly like youtube does, they should absolutely be forced to carry your message.

I'm not well versed in anti-trust law, but how does Youtube's popularity (monopoly as you put it) prohibit you from hosting your content on the 100s of other video hosting services available to you? How does Youtube's popularity prevent you from hosting your videos yourself?

You're expecting them to use their own money and their own resources to broadcast messages they don't want to broadcast, for free.

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Post by davesmith1983 »

syn0byte wrote: post #381
davesmith1983 wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect many people were saying the same about the printing press when that was invented. "If anyone can print something quickly, how can will we stop the peasants from printing their own books". Many would could say same about open source software, people developing their own technology. They are doing their own thing, there is a lot of rubbish code (noise) to good open source code (signal). Maybe a large company…

To piggyback your comment and the depth of the analogy: Mein Kampf is still in publication today. Does any otherwise rational person want it stopped and all copies removed from public libraries in the way they seem to expect from Youtube/Facebook et al? Would they want Del Ray Books be held accountable for the content of The Turner Diaries?

I think generally they there seems to be a move to remove anything seen to be outside of the Overton Window (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window).

However a lot of people seem to forget that the politics of today is only within the Overton window because speech outside of the Overton window at the time was protected and thus the Overton window can "shift".

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

sequoia wrote: post #406

The "solution" is choosing your priorities and being willing to make sacrifices, which, in my experience, many people are not willing to do. "I don't want to be on a censorious megacorporate platform." Great! You can do this, you'll just have to be on the #2 platform rather than the #1 platform, and there won't be as many "free" tools & services. "What?? How can you suggest I abandon the #1 platform? I need all those…

I think the truth here is that saying "Just use another platform" isn't taking into account reality.

Let's say for a moment that Google isn't evil (hypothetical, I know) and that you want a Facebook alternative. Google themselves tried to make one - and failed spectacularly.

If Google can't make a Facebook alternative, what chance does anyone else have? In what way does a #2 platform ever even approach Facebook while FB can just purchase them or otherwise stop them before a critical mass of users switch?

I'm very free market, but this is a clear monopoly and social media sites seemingly requires new rules that didn't exist for telecoms.

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Post by bitL »

knd775 wrote: post #287
jrockway wrote: post #63

Below the original comment in a reply is YouTube's full list. One of the items bans videos about "hard drugs" which it defines as any drug that causes a physical addiction. Is there an incoming wave of coffee- and tea-related takedowns? Because I'm pretty sure that headache you get when you don't drink caffeine for a day is not your brain longing for the rich aroma of freshly-ground beans. It's a physical addiction t…

What about the premium series they produced, Mindfield? A good number of the episodes are about Michael Stevens (Vsauce) taking hallucinogens and describing the experience. On second thought, I guess most of those aren't addictive. It still seems like a really odd line to draw.

I guess it depends on what Sergey or Susan are smoking these days... Odd throwing parties at 'plex when Prop 64 was approved, posing with joints, then banning drug videos...

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

kelp wrote: post #157

Lets keep in mind that YouTube has been around for 14 years... In societal terms that's a relatively short amount of time to have a free platform where anyone can post their ideas, no matter how crazy or toxic. Before that, you could blog. Before that, you could stand on a street corner and yell, or maybe use a megaphone. The platforms for broadcasting your message to a large audience were mostly gated, often by larg…

>There is the right to say and think whatever you want. That does not imply the right to have your message amplified to millions.

Very easy to say when your message isn't being censored. After all, how could this ever turn around on YOU? Surely you'll always have the correct opinion on things!

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Post by effie »

hrktb wrote: post #273
exolymph wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can make it a PR issue. Go through reporting and if the videos clearly violate TOS and aren't taken down, point out the double standard to the activist press.

Technically you can. In practice it’s playing the outrage lottery: you can’t complain not winning if you don’t buy into it, but you only have one in a million chance to have your issue blow up to any proportion, and then some more astronomically low chance it leads to anything. I am still thinking about the Vox presenter Carlos Maza who painstakingly documented and published how youtube didn’t enforce its hate speech…

Do you have a link where this is documented? Reports on this seem quite polarized.

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Post by 50656E6973 »

root_axis wrote: post #310

You want YouTube to be one way, but it's the other way. Protest. Boycott. Build alternatives. This is how you fight corrupt corporations. It makes no sense to force YouTube to host all content for free. YouTube is a video entertainment business, it's not insulin or a house. Again, it's a video entertainment site. It is wholly unimportant in reality. The only power YouTube has is the power society willingly gives it b…

>it's not insulin or a house. Again, it's a video entertainment site. It is wholly unimportant in reality.

It's the greatest library of educational content in human history.

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Post by umvi »

strictnein wrote: post #440
umvi wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As if there is any truly secure system on earth. Name a secure system.

Sending messages using One-time Pads are perfectly secure when used properly, which is pretty simple - don't reuse the keys and the message has to be shorter than the key you are using. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad

And is there an app or service in existence currently using OTPs "properly", as you say?

OTPs are extremely onerous, if not impossible to implement properly in real life in a way that scales. Hence why nobody uses them (instead people use RSA/ECC/AES/etc).

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #159
sarcasmatwork wrote: post #7

Youtube updating its policy to ban videos they have already monetized from, while the creators get nothing. Youtube is a monopoly. Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists.

There are alternatives. For years I've been following content creators who upload their content to multiple services because they saw the writing on the wall. Bitchute: https://www.dailymotion.com/us Dailymotion: https://www.dailymotion.com/us PeerTube: https://joinpeertube.org/

I messed up when pasting links, this is the correct Bitchute link: https://www.bitchute.com/

Thanks to BearsAreCool for pointing it out.

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