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Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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I have a real problem with this..

they have not taken a picture of a black hole because that is not possible..

they have at best constructed an image of some effects of a black hole.

This is where top scientists do damage to science for ordinary people when they make fundamental errors in public statements.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

#473

Good video that correctly predicted the image and describes why it looks the way it does [1]. TL; DR The dark area is the entire surface of the event horizon, including the side facing away from us, plus some more due to photons missing the event horizon "directly" being drawn in. One side is brighter due to its being Doppler boosted. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUyH3XhpLTo

In the video he talks about the Schwarzchild radius but doesn't go into details. It is the distance from the center of the black hole to the event horizon.

Anything which is not in that radius or not already in a path towards it should be safe from not getting sucked by the black hole.

E.g. If our sun becomes a black hole, Schwarzchild radius would be 2.954Km i.e. anything outside ~3Km would be safe.

This was explained in the scishow video on that topic[1].

[1]:https://youtu.be/Mm_ks1ce3C4

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps consider this: "VLBI allows the EHT to achieve an angular resolution of 20 micro-arcseconds — enough to read a newspaper in New York from a sidewalk café in Paris [6]." What's surprising about this image is how utterly microscopic the thing is that was observed - from our location. The width of the event horizon is 40 billion kilometers. That's only 267x the diameter of our orbit around the Sun. But the M87 b…

53 million light years. 26 thousand would still be in our own galaxy.

Quite right. Thank you for the correction.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually in a galaxy called Messier 87 which is 55 million lightyears away.

The observed both supermassive black holes at the center of M87 and our Milky Way galaxy Sagittarius A

Not according to Veritasium's comment on his own video as well as the RelAstro group who produced the material[1]: "As there seems to be some general confusion, please note that the image shown here is a simulated one and not an actual image. So far we only have an image of M87. Kind regards, the RelAstro group. "

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnsZj9RvhFU

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Higher resolution official release seems to be: https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/blackholes/download...

So how much this picture cost ?

Whenever this type of question comes up, how much science cost, think about the following:

It costs more to do a sciency Hollywood movie about than it costs to actually do the science. Sending an actual probe to the orbit of Mars is in general cheaper than making a sci-fi movie.

So...

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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It's the color scheme. I think in matplotlib it's called "hot". I do a lot of 2D kernel density plots that by having a black zero level and dozens of contour levels produce a smooth look with aesthetics similarities to this. I used to use that scheme because "heatmaps" but stopped because of the pulsing illusion. I'm not sure if this image is real color or just lightness value and they used a color scheme for drama.

Grrr, why aren't scientists all using perceptually uniforms color schemes! This would still look awesome in `plasma`. Is there any where I can get the data and do it myself? One of my favorite talks ever is on this subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAoljeRJ3lU

You can easily remap it between different colour maps if you assume that is is a standard hot map.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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It probably wasn't coordinated, because he got the black hole that was being imaged wrong. He said we would see a picture of Sagittarius A*, but we actually got the black hole at the center of M87.

They observed both, watch the follow-up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_GVbuddri8 "The Event Horizon Telescope Collaboration observed the supermassive black holes at the center of M87 and our Milky Way galaxy (SgrA*) finding the dark central shadow in accordance with General Relativity, further demonstrating the power of this 100 year-old theory."

But in the press conference they specifically said they weren’t releasing SgrA* yes because they hadn’t completed their analysis. They released pictures after that?

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Let's say I were to jump into this black hole for fun. What happens to me? What are the chances I go somewhere cool, like another universe, versus getting turned into a spaghetti noodle?

Don't it's no fun you'll get space sickness trust me.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

May be we can see higher resolution if we build an additional telescope.

More distant (longer baseline), not merely additional sensors. Resolving power is proportional to the (virtual) aperture size, not the total sensor area (that gives more signal strength).

Given the observation period has been multiple years, does that virtual size include the orbit of the Earth? Or is there something that limits it to still being Earth-sized?
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