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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by fulafel »

apexalpha wrote: post #87
zamadatix wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything that uses the Android built in IPsec VPN is going to be fine unless the app really goes out of it's way to be crappy. This uses Wireguard in userspace so is likely actually a battery drain. Less than OpenVPN at least.

While it might use more power I've been using Wireguard on my phone for 6 months or so now and the performance is way better than IPSec, especially on spotty connections such a mobile!

This sounds curious, both protocols just encapsulate your ip packets without affecting retransmissions, no?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by repolfx »

I guess the big question I have is why Cloudfare is a more trustable exit point than my mobile carrier is. They're both large corporations with similar privacy policies.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by samat »

ignoramous wrote: post #252

There goes me and my co-founder's plan of disrupting the Mobile VPN market. Or may be, we still have a chance? Anywho, congratulations Cloudflare! I long held an opinion that the VPN market was ripe for disruption when I looked at privacy policy of some of the top players. Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner. I hope you're able to make a headway with all the interest…

I find amusing that ‘defragmented with no clear winner’ is what I want in most cases as a customer and what most startups see as an ‘opportunity for disruption’ (read “opportunity to dominate the market”).

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by mark_l_watson »

tracker1 wrote: post #204
mark_l_watson wrote: post #72

I just signed up. cloudflare is on the short list of Internet companies that I trust (with the usual small bit of doubt and skepticism!). With just a few reservations, I also trust G Suite, Firefox, and a few hosting companies I do business with. I have been supporting FSF, ACLU, etc. for years, but the practical considerations that prompted me to be a bit more trusting are Cloud Search in GSuite, Cloudflare offering…

I have to mostly agree... Cloudflare has actively participated with a lot of communities to bring better CDN options to open-source projects who otherwise would be overloaded. I'm not sure how much I actually trust GSuite, ironically preferring Office365 to it as there are huge, gaping holes in it's usefulness, specifically group email tethered to a horribly broken secondary interface (groups) and the fact that the p…

I don’t disagree about Google. I really just use their paid services (GSuite, Music/no ad YouTube, purchase books and movies). I mostly switched to DuckDuckGo years ago, and I run all Google properties through a single Firefox container.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by [deleted] »

ignoramous wrote: post #293
kylec wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest concern with any VPN is: do I trust you? I’ve been reluctant to sign up with any of these VPN services that seem to be advertising everywhere nowadays because I don’t know what they’ll do with my internet traffic. The CloudFlare VPN is interesting to me because they’re a large, established company with a good reputation, so I trust them more than TunnelBear or ExpressVPN or PIA or whoever’s sponsoring YouT…

We thought about the trust aspect of it (we have gone through numerous VPN related threads here on news.yc and r/privacy and this has been one of the top concerns). Here's how we plan to convince folks (in our own naive way) we mean business (do serveral or all among): 1. OpenSource vpn server and client, with ability to Cloud-SSH to the server and view what's running. 2. Hands-off, one-click, spin up VPN servers on…

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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by Tor3 »

Tor3 wrote: post #469

I'm scratching my head at this one.. I installed it, it claims that VPN is on, there's the little key in the status line as when e.g. OpenVPN is running, but pointing a browser at whatismyip.org still shows the same old IP address. So, no VPN after all?

Replying to myself - I hadn't got that you have to apply for a spot in the waiting list, through the app. So it just does DNS through 1.1.1.1, still. Fair enough, although my routers generally do that by themselves already. However, I wish the 1.1.1.1 app didn't show that key in the status line as long as it isn't a VPN application.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by mwcampbell »

mwcampbell wrote: post #61

It seems to me that in practice, Cloudflare's mission is not actually to build a better Internet, but to offer an alternative, proprietary network (one could call it the CloudflareNet), and convince content providers and consumers to use that network. Because I don't want any single company to have too much power, I'll stick with the standard Internet, which is not owned by any single company. However, I realize that…

To any Cloudflare leadership or staff who are still watching this subthread, I'm sorry I publicly questioned your motives and integrity the way I did. I should have been skeptical without saying that I think your mission is something other than what you say it is. I wouldn't want some random person on the Internet to publicly say, or at least imply, that I'm a liar. So I shouldn't have done that to you. If I could give up the upvotes I got for that comment (and keep the downvotes), I would.

Mind you, I'm still skeptical. I probably won't use Warp on my phone, or Cloudflare on my personal site. But I should have been more careful about how I expressed that skepticism in public. None of us want a world where we all assume the worst in each other without strong evidence. So again, I'm sorry.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by justwonderin »

I'm confused WRT privacy policy:

https://www.cloudflare.com/public-resolver-mobile-privacy/

In paragraph 2 Cloudflare says "We do not receive your phone number, device ID, IP address or any other information that could identify you when you install or use the Mobile Application."

But in paragraph 4 it says "These Service Providers may only process personal information pursuant to our instructions".

So which is it - do they collect personal info or not?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by jgrahamc »

mwcampbell wrote: post #478
mwcampbell wrote: post #61

It seems to me that in practice, Cloudflare's mission is not actually to build a better Internet, but to offer an alternative, proprietary network (one could call it the CloudflareNet), and convince content providers and consumers to use that network. Because I don't want any single company to have too much power, I'll stick with the standard Internet, which is not owned by any single company. However, I realize that…

To any Cloudflare leadership or staff who are still watching this subthread, I'm sorry I publicly questioned your motives and integrity the way I did. I should have been skeptical without saying that I think your mission is something other than what you say it is. I wouldn't want some random person on the Internet to publicly say, or at least imply, that I'm a liar. So I shouldn't have done that to you. If I could gi…

You definitely should not apologize for being skeptical while at the same time being reasonable.
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