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Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps
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#472Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps
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It’s more about a single massive company having such in-depth control over billions of personal mobile devices. That’s a worrisome situation.
Yes it is, but if you're worried about that then this is a valuable lesson on why you should steer clear of apple products. Google knew this was the case and took the risk anyway, so they only have themselves to blame. It's not just apple either. Using facebook, gmail, anything in the cloud and/or anything hosted, basically anything not under your control exposes you to the same risk. Most people don't care until it…
You don't think there's a difference between a person buying an Apple device and Google working with Apple to run software on their devices?
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That's a misstatement of the principle here. I bought a thing. It's my thing, not someone else's thing. Things don't have "terms". I signed no contract. Let me use my thing. I mean, yes, we shouldn't buy iOS devices. But we should accept that things have ad hoc vendor-controlled "rules" just because someone baked them into the things, either. > what Apple allows you to run on your own device is actually a different s…
> I signed no contract. Facebook and Google did sign it and distributed their software based on it. > It's not like Facebook and Google were hacking their way in here. They literally did (in the legal sense). But of course, it's a battle of two evils here. Both sides can just nuke each other if you ask me, I won't miss them ;)
> Facebook and Google did sign it and distributed their software based on it.
I think we're talking past each other here. I'm not talking about how Facebook and Google's spy kits were licensed to the end users or about their compliance with Apple's own vendor license.
I was pointing out that the principle here is that I (and Facebook and Google) should have the ability to write and distribute software for you (and me, and Facebook and Google and even Apple) to use on your iPhone. And that the fact we don't have that ability is bad.
And more to the point the fact that Apple's control over their platform was used to benefit the public by disallowing spy kits still does not make that control a good thing.
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On the latest android its a huge pain to install fdroid. The only way I could find was installing the system fdroid package through the recovery thing because android doesn't just allow you to install 3rd party apps, you have to get an existing app to request permission to install 3rd party apps and none of the default ones do so unless you already have fdroid you can't install it. Really unethical.
On my Pixel 3: Settings / Apps & Notifications / Advanced / Special app access. From there you can whitelist, e.g., Chrome to allow the installation of 3rd party apps. IIRC Chrome even asks you if you want to enable that setting once you download an APK file.
I didn't have chrome on my phone and the default android browser doesn't request permissions. I used to install it from the downloads app thing but that doesn't seem to work anymore because of these new changes.
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That's right. That's why you shouldn't buy iOS devices. If you do, you agree to Apple's terms. (also, what Apple allows you to run on your own device is actually a different story, not related to this news)
More than a couple of us know Apple's terms and agree to them quite enthusiastically. The perennial mansplaining around this issue mildly baffles me. Apple acting as a gatekeeper for iOS has been a well-known thing for a decade now. Coming to a place like this and preaching as if people don't understand Apple's terms is frankly insulting.
Sounds like somebody learned a new word but couldn't be bothered to learn what it means.
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#478There are over 100,000 Google and Facebook employees, just a small percentage of them with good old fashion loyalty to their companies could explain the amount offended here.
As a googler, I’m not offended. “Abide by the terms of your agreements,” or, as Stranger Things would put it, “friends don’t lie.” That being said, I am in popcorn mode to see what act of contrition apple will demand. I would also loooove to know how this clusterfuck came about. But I guess we will never know that. I doubt this crosses Sundar’s desk, but I would be curious to know where the buck did stop. Was counsel…
> or did a couple of former teams
huehuehue
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>> In one sense, Apple already gives up a data feed by sending search queries to Google. Apple does this under protest. Their top search queries are served through siri lately, and the hope is siri will replace all search so they won't need to utilize google anymore.
Siri isn't a search engine, it is a front end to a search engine[1]. That used to be Bing but now it is Google (see: http://fortune.com/2017/09/25/google-bing-default-iphone/ ) There was a time when the Siri folks approached Blekko (which was an actual search engine with its own index, crawler, and ranking Etc. to discuss partnering with Apple (personally I think they should have bought us :-)) But, according to peop…
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#480Hilarious! Good on Apple, I hope they continue doing this for all the other companies doing the same.