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Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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I really like the point the uBlock maintainer's make: "Extensions act on behalf of users, they add capabilities to a user agent , and deprecating the blocking ability of the webRequest API will essentially decrease the level of user agency in Chromium, to the benefit of web sites which obviously would be happy to have the last word in what resources their pages can fetch/execute/render."

I'm just waiting for the time until websites won't load at all unless you have hardware DRM turned on that will take all of your control away. > Extensions act on behalf of users, they add capabilities to a user agent, and deprecating the blocking ability of the webRequest API will essentially decrease the level of user agency in Chromium This is off-topic, but I felt the same way about most data privacy problems. It…

> I'm just waiting for the time until websites won't load at all unless you have hardware DRM turned on that will take all of your control away.

I already leave websites that become unusable with adblock on, or without it on. It will just trim down on the amount of sites I go on.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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>Use incognito mode. All this means is that it's not stored on your computer/history. This doesn't mean Google doesn't still have everything from those periods.

Google does not track your incognito history and cookies unless you actually sign-in to your Google account in the incognito window of course.

Of course they do.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

#473

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So Google is going to help me have more privacy by preventing me from letting extensions I want to run from having access to data I want that extension to have, so it can do a job I want it to do. Meanwhile, Google's software will of course have full access to everything I do online, and most of my data will live on Google servers. And the extension that I want to have access is also downloaded from Google servers. A…

When Google takes the approach you want, they are vilified for "letting third parties access your data" - as in the Gmail "scandal" a few months ago. If you let users do whatever they want, they will often shoot themselves in the foot. It's a tough balance.

Sorry for being behind in the news. What's this Gmail "scandal" you quote from a few months ago?

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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post #347

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Google does not track your incognito history and cookies unless you actually sign-in to your Google account in the incognito window of course.

Of course they do.

Do you have evidence? Or is it all just fear mongering?

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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I always found it strange that the most popular ad blocking method is one that is internal to and relies on the browser itself.

Companies can change their browsers anytime and for whatever reasons they want. As far as I can tell, users have little control over the organizations/companies that write browsers, not to mention that the most popular browsers are written by companies that benefit from sale of the online ads. This make the ad-blocking browser extension brittle.

I also find it peculiar that the preferred approach to ad blocking has been blacklisting rather than whitelisting. In other words, users prefer to let a third party pick a list of servers to block. Everything else is allowed by default.

Besides issues of delegation and having to trust a third a party, this of course is a very large, constantly growing list that includes many, many servers most users will never, ever encounter in their entire lifetime online. Though it may be unnoticeable for now, an enormous block list is inefficient.

The alternative, which I have found easier to manage, is for users to determine what servers they need to access, "whitelist" them (e.g. by placing them in localhost authoritative DNS or /etc/hosts), and then block everything else by default. This is similar to a firewall ruleset.

The number of servers any user will use in their lifetime is relatively small compared to the total number of ad server addresses in existence now or in the future. It is manageable.

If you are a non-technical Chrome user, and you have no idea of what servers you are actually using repeatedly day-to-day, there is a built-in feature that can help you make your own "whitelist".

Here's the URL:

   chrome://site-engagement

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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I really just don't understand the obsession with Chrome, especially in hacker communities. Sorry Google, I feel "icky & gross" when I use you.

> I really just don't understand the obsession with Chrome, especially in hacker communities. Chrome used to be very lightweight, fast and basically unseated IE as the top browser. It got that love because at the time Firefox was bloated and IE had a stranglehold. Chrome was also safer with a process per tab. Chrome made web browsing/dev pleasant like Firefox/Firebug did and it really took off being based on Webkit l…

> Chrome made web browsing/dev pleasant like Firefox/Firebug did and it really took off being based on Webkit like Safari which also worked well on mobile.

This is the big one for me. When I'm not developing I actually prefer to use Safari-- I like it's interface better and it feels more at home in macOS. It's "good enough" too.

What I'm really a user of is the Chrome Dev Tools. Firefox's are looking quite solid lately but I just haven't switched over.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

#478

Another reason to be glad that Firefox is still standing.

I really just don't understand the obsession with Chrome, especially in hacker communities. Sorry Google, I feel "icky & gross" when I use you.

I think chromium devtool is still much better than firefox's ones.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

#479

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I bet a decent chunk of the MS engineers lobbied to adopt Gecko instead of Chromium when they decided to move away from EdgeHtml. I wonder what the reasoning was for not going that route, it seems like a huge miss and a total acceptance of a browser monoculture.

Gecko is deep in to a transitional phase. Once it comes out the other end it may be simple to embed but it's currently far too early for that. On the other hand Chromium is relatively simple to adapt with many real world examples to learn from. (Personally I think they should stick with EdgeHtml but it seems that ship has sailed).

I wish they would have thrown in with the Servo project, but Chromium is ready now and Servo isn't, so I'm sure that factored in.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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I'm just waiting for the time until websites won't load at all unless you have hardware DRM turned on that will take all of your control away. > Extensions act on behalf of users, they add capabilities to a user agent, and deprecating the blocking ability of the webRequest API will essentially decrease the level of user agency in Chromium This is off-topic, but I felt the same way about most data privacy problems. It…

> I'm just waiting for the time until websites won't load at all unless you have hardware DRM turned on that will take all of your control away. I already leave websites that become unusable with adblock on, or without it on. It will just trim down on the amount of sites I go on.

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