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‘I Don’t Really Want to Work for Facebook.’ Say Some Computer Science Students

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Post by wild_preference »

deanmoriarty wrote: post #335
techelitism wrote: post #327

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What other companies do your acquaintances working in tech consider “prestigious”?

Generally it's FAANG (minus Amazon, plus some unicorns), for the reasons mentioned above: a very good balance of excellent compensation, talented peers to work with, and interesting work. Joining these companies in the right teams is literally what makes it possible to have an exciting technical career AND the guarantee of being able to retire (or more generally, gain financial freedom) in your early/mid 40s, if one…

> Seriously, it's the only decision that makes sense if one has the chops to get into one of those places.

For you, sure.

There are better ways I can think of spending my 20s and 30s than just setting up for retirement in my 40s, because when you're in your 40s, you're not in your 20s or 30s anymore.

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Post by wild_preference »

jasonm23 wrote: post #301
ocschwar wrote: post #160

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They're not mutually exclusive, but they are negatively correlated. The more enjoyable a job is, the lower the salary the boss can offer before people balk at taking it. It isn't something you can suss out in individual cases, but statistically speaking it holds up. When I sysadminned in the turn of the millenium, I could definitely see the pay gap between running systems for corporate America and doing it for scient…

I may be misreading, but it seems you're looking for an antonym of balk. Balk: Hesitate or be unwilling to accept an idea or proposal.

I don't think so. Let's substitute balk:

> The more enjoyable a job is, the lower the salary the boss can offer before people [hesitate to] take it.

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Post by edanm »

Jonanin wrote: post #177
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142

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> Facebook an absolutely prestigious employer Anecdotally, I’m helping several friends, who are each exceptionally capable, employed at Facebook with new jobs. They reached out before this revelation, to their credit, though this threw fuel on the fire. I suspect Facebook will be known for having hired mediocre sell-outs a few years from now.

From your profile: > I trade private equity stakes in technology companies. Former aerospace investment banker and before that, algorithmic equity derivatives trader. You're also the one who submitted this article. Somehow I doubt you are actually helping friends at FB find new jobs. I think it's much more likely that you are short FB. There's a lot of your type out there spreading articles like this as much as possi…

Excuse me, I disagree with the parent and think their views of FB are completely wrong...

But that's absolutely not reason enough to blatantly impugn someone's motives, and suggest outright that they are doing something illegal.

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Post by always_good »

AceyMan wrote: post #280
mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #194

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Why do you think working conditions are good at Facebook. Facebook’s style of open-plan office & surveillance culture is one of the unhealthiest, anti-human work environments around. Even if the company had ethical self-awareness, I’d stillstay away just due to the physical health degradation that results from that type of open-plan office, and to help reduce the cargo-cult copying that leads other companies to mista…

Came here to mention the Open Plan Hell that being a FB dev would mean, which is just a layer on top of the primary evil they create with product. Or do the kids just think that's how it is/has to be these days? The data against open plans is abundant and solid, but firms just won't abandon a clearly failed design experiment .

> Or do the kids just think that's how it is/has to be these days?

I just don't think that's the defining feature of a job for most people, and most people don't care so much. All of my schooling happened in "open office" plans, like studying at the uni library. I also learned to cope with an eight hour workday. Why are more people not demanding four hour workdays?

Open plans are less stifling/depressing to me than cubicles, and I don't watch enough Mad Men to be fixated on having my own office.

To me, it's like being fixated on any office perk. You could die on the hill of demanding catered food. And that may be worthwhile to you. But I think I'd be at a worse position in life if I suddenly needed catered food to tolerate my job.

If we're ranking job perks, floor plan just isn't in my top 5, and I reckon it's the same for most people. Pay, how interesting the day-to-day, how cool are my coworkers, how long is my commute, is it slave labor, is there a culture of people interrupting me regardless of floor plan, etc.

Finding a good job just isn't Build-a-Bear workshop, so you have to pick your battles. Keep that in mind when you look around and assume "I guess other people aren't up in arms over $thing because they know no better."

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Post by philpem »

AWildC182 wrote: post #322
nemothekid wrote: post #310

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Amusingly enough, I’d argue Zuckerberg nailed that mission.

We grew up wondering how we'd change the world but never stopped and thought about whether or not what we had in mind was all that good of an idea...

There's a Jurassic Park quote in here somewhere...

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Post by lrem »

variable11 wrote: post #342
lrem wrote: post #324

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I work in Google and the mission statement seems to be followed.

Don't be evil... ...except when helping the Chinese government oppress and spy on its citizens.

That is not the mission statement.

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Post by SixGunMojo »

philpem wrote: post #475
AWildC182 wrote: post #322

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We grew up wondering how we'd change the world but never stopped and thought about whether or not what we had in mind was all that good of an idea...

There's a Jurassic Park quote in here somewhere...

"Clever girl"

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Post by glglwty »

tropdrop wrote: post #271
kansface wrote: post #227

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> In western societies, no job should pay less than a living wage... Pay is determined chiefly by supply and demand in the labor market. Jobs that are more fun pay less because the supply of workers is higher. Fairness is literally not part of this equation. > On the other side of the ledger, you have immigrants with medical degrees, who are driving cabs for minimum wage. Medical licenses are controlled by the govern…

> What does a living wage even mean.. The definition of living wage is fairly established. It is the minimum income necessary for a worker to meet their basic needs. Needs are defined to include food, housing, and other essentials such as clothing. This definition is why, in the United States, at least, every few years Minimum Wage (used interchangeably here with Living Wage) would be raised, to keep up with inflatio…

Maybe a functional society doesn't necessarily rely on jobs with below-living wages? Point is, the question of whether you should pay living wages to every worker is basically equivalent to whether you should provide living income to every person, employed or not. When you enforce a living wage, some jobs would disappear and you have to answer question 2 to people who lost their jobs. I don't have an answer for question 2 but I think recognizing the theoretical equivalency here would make the discussion much more straightforward.

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Post by mooreds »

MrTonyD wrote: post #468
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #454

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By making clothes out of plastic?

They make clothes out of plastic in order to recycle. It is a conscious choice they make. (I read the book by the founder.) Patagonia may be the only company I trust.

This was the book, I suspect:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22155.Let_My_People_Go_S...

Powerful read that also happens to be interesting.

Recommended.

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Post by deadbunny »

nnd wrote: post #332
ma2rten wrote: post #303

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That was their motto, but didn't they also have a mission statement that was about connecting people?

That was just TED talk style marketing fluff.

So every company mission statement ever?
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