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Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Mental illness is described in terms of deviance from "normal" behavior and conformance to generally accepted morals. I think this is trivially proven from a lay read of the DSM. A shooting spree in reaction to an website's policy change is both immoral and irrational. No conceivable context would make that chain of actions acceptable. How could one look at this action and assume mental illness does not exist? It's n…

>Mental illness is described in terms of deviance from "normal" behavior and conformance to generally accepted morals. I think this is trivially proven from a lay read of the DSM. Deviation from normal behavior and generally accepted morals is absolutely not a definition of mental illness. A bank robber isn't mentally ill by virtue of robbing a bank. I don't believe you've ever read the DSM in any of its editions. >N…

Diminishes and eliminates are two different words for a reason. The other thing I think you're missing here is that there's a certain level of rationality implied with someone who robs a bank. Ignoring morals, sure, but rationality nonetheless.

Random shooting sprees tend to lack that rationality - as this one does. There's no chain of cause and effect that goes from "youtube demonetized my videos" to "I'm going to shoot random people at youtube with no understanding of their responsibility, and later myself".

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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A company is not a person, and cannot be a victim of an incident like this. Especially when corporate policies directly incited the attack.

"Especially when corporate policies directly incited the attack." Wow. This woman was clearly unwell, and while these policies may have triggered her, they can't be reasonably said to have incited the attack, as "incite" means that it's actually encouraging violence, not merely that it caused someone to go nuts. Seriously, y'all need Jesus. Put the blame for these hospitalized gunshot victims where it belongs, on the…

For the relatively uninvolved individuals who were shot, yes, the blame is on the angry woman who shot them. For YouTube as an organization - not an individual - whose corporate base was the target of a violent act? I do blame the overall policies and actions.

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Can't think of any good examples since people usually get away with it, Well, that's the thing. I can think of a good few respected tech sites that run "sponsored" articles that are disclosed in the smallest text possible and basically look like normal content. Not that I'm going to start industry beef by pointing them out :-D

This literally never happens, and you are completely wrong. I would explain how totally wrong your are more... but I don't have enough time in my day to make the full commitment this comment should require. I would have more time in my day if I was better organized, or kept my tasks in a program like Asana. But alas, I haven't even signed up for the free trial, because i have so little time. If I actually had Asana ,…

To be fair, jokes are frequently downvoted here, at least initially. Some people on HN seem to have a big "thing" about it not "turning into Reddit." But I appreciated it. Thanks :-D

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Can't think of any good examples since people usually get away with it, Well, that's the thing. I can think of a good few respected tech sites that run "sponsored" articles that are disclosed in the smallest text possible and basically look like normal content. Not that I'm going to start industry beef by pointing them out :-D

This literally never happens, and you are completely wrong. I would explain how totally wrong your are more... but I don't have enough time in my day to make the full commitment this comment should require. I would have more time in my day if I was better organized, or kept my tasks in a program like Asana. But alas, I haven't even signed up for the free trial, because i have so little time. If I actually had Asana ,…

> People understand this is a joke right? Is it just not funny to you?

This comment is perhaps a bit harsh, but explains things well. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7609289

> I agree with what people have already said, but I think there's one more point to add: people usually over-estimate how funny their own comments are. We have a tendency to think, "This idea of mine is hilarious! And different! Surely this witticism is the exception." And we are usually wrong. When you have N people all doing that, there's a lot of noise.

> I try to gently point this out to people who complain when their attempt at humor has been downvoted by the community. It's not that we don't like humor. We just don't like banal attempts at humor, which becomes noise. Or, put in a less charitable fashion, "You're not as funny as you think you are."

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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If she were to be working for an employer in an EU country, it would be illegal to just fire him person from a job without compensation. The situation is different (AFAIK she lives in the US which has far fewer job protection policies, and earning a living through YouTube doesn’t count as an employer-employee relation), but there are analogies. Few countries and jobs have so little job security as being a YouTuber.

> Few countries and jobs have so little job security as being a YouTuber. And unless this information is somehow hidden from anyone who consensually enters into a relationship with YouTube, this is not really a good point

The rules of the algo which flag, hide, and demonetize videos are hidden.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Give me one good reason why blaming a random Google employee lunching in the cafeteria is "fair". (Disclaimer: I witnessed the shooting today, so not quite unbiased)

We consider crimes against young children to be particularly bad precisely because they're genuinely blameless. Once you get past childhood, though, you're a moral agent making choices. If you work at a company, yeah, you are in a small part contributing to their actions and by continuing to work there, assenting to those actions. After all, a random Googler lunching in the cafeteria wants the prestige associated wit…

So, wanting to work at a reputed place for software engineering == endorsing every single policy the company (a collection of over 70K individuals) might adopt? To the point that you should be expected to take a bullet for it?

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Mass shooting? "...a valid feedback..." ?

If you look at the whole as a non-personal system, then yes. When you e.g. see your city has suddenly more murders than before, you probably take it as a valid feedback and try to do something about underlying causes.

Only we don't.

Murders go up and down all the time. Average resident of that city doesn't really see that as "feedback". In fact, the average person is completely unaffected by that. Probably less than 0.01% of any demographic in the US is murdered in any given year in any given city. Even if the rate went up by an order of magnitude, most would barely notice. (Local TV news not withstanding.)

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This I just wrong from the start. If there’s a single overarching definition of mental illness, it’s “clinical significance” and not deviation from the norm. Of course it’s not that simple either, but it is a common thread throughout all of them.

This only moves the definition down one level. If clinical significance ( in general , not just in psychology) isn't based on deviation from a norm, what is it based on?

The degree to which something interferes in someone’s life, their ability to function, etc. If you’re suicidally depressed, or psychotic, it’s a clear distinction for obvious reasons. It’s not about comparing to some standard, you can believe strange things, be unhappy, and so on, but if it starts to make you unable to live your life, it might be a problem.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Tech companies realize they owe a lot to their users. They owe them their entire existence, I'd say. It's quite obvious from their behavior and the fact they try to attract and hoard user attention. Users are valuable in general. It's not like it's one way transfer of value from companies to users. So why your rhetorical question?

Because if YouTube decided to hoard all ad revenue as of tomorrow (putting aside for a minute how bad of a long-term business decision that would be), that would still not be a valid reason to shoot up the HQ.

I'm just saying that YouTube and likes of it would be nothing without producers of content, big and small. It's a mutual relationship. Both owe each other their business.

It's orthogonal question to the effectiveness of going somewhere and shooting some people.

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Probably because you dont know what she put up there, and you dont want to give an attempted murderer a giant platform, as a win.

I do know what she put there, though, since on the internet is is fairly trivial to see what was on a publicly available and commonly crawled website before it was removed. And there was nothing that related to the killing, and nothing even tangentially related to the ban message. No 'final manifesto' or anything like that. If you are curious, here is a mirror of her videos: http://www.dailymotion.com/yesilnasim/vide…

Those have also all been removed
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