The world would be better served by Apple getting out of the hardware business and just selling OSX, allowing it to run on any x86 architecture without all of the Hackintosh bull. I don't understand who these people are that are spending a 50% premium on components that are two to three years old. I use a MBP regularly, but only because my work buys them.
The Mac Pro Lives
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Re: The Mac Pro Lives
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> On the other hand, if Windows had a proper shell and cli tools, like cygwin with zsh, but native and not Ubuntu layer inside - that would be tremendous. It is PowerShell, and it really is. Until recently I thought Windows had poor CLI support, and I discovered PowerShell and now I favor it even more than bash. Am I crazy? Possibly, but PowerShell is truly a piece of gem in the CLI history. It is a thoughtfully craf…
It is a thoughtfully crafted product regarding what "command-line interface" should look like. How so? I've never appreciated what's actually good about powershell... you pass objects around? So...? Is that a thing that's useful? If you want to just automate a task, having intermediate objects that are serializable (eg. strings) so you can `foo ... > blah` and inspect the value of blah before continuing (`cat blah |…
Re: The Mac Pro Lives
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> They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). How can plaintext configs be confusing for a competent software engineer? On Linux, you can make your OS work for you just the way you like it. Good luck changing anything significant in Apple's walled garden
Plain text configuration comes in a million flavours. The differences in syntax goes from large to subtle, and it's easy to make mistakes and usually hard to debug. Documentation of both syntax and semantics varies wildly in quality. If only there was a convention... Nowadays I'm on a Xubuntu box, and I've managed to have zero system-wide configuration. I've made a metapackage that depends on the software I use---and…
That's awesome.
In most cases, you don't even need to customize much.
I was arguing about the ability to customize that's just not present in OSX and W10.
Knowing that you can always change things is liberating.
I do believe that people go overboard sometimes, but that's not the fault of plaintext configs at all.
I've been running XFCE on Arch with just a handful of visual tweaks for 3 years now. For the most part, everything just works.
Re: The Mac Pro Lives
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Thinkpads work out of the box for every regular feature (I had to write a shell script to make my X1 Yoga handle folding it into tablet mode -- ~15 LOC). A thinkpad + ubuntu I think, will hit all your needs. Lenovo preinstalls Ubuntu on some of their thinkpads in some cases (afaict, large enterprises). The thinkpad line IIRC works to use well-supported hardware for Linux. You can check the certification list to be su…
I have a P50. It is a heavy laptop, but it has a mobile NVIDIA GPU which can easily outclass an Intel Iris graphics processor. The only front this laptop falls extremely short is with battery life and weight. The P50 is really good if you need the power and I usually get around 5 hours of battery life without Optimus because it interferes with my workflow under Linux.
Re: The Mac Pro Lives
#475Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…
> And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot.
There certainly are some specific areas, like 4K support, which are still being worked on, (and is in fact worse on Windows), but other than that, I cannot see what macOS offers over a modern GNOME desktop, UX wise, can you offer specifics?
On my MBP, I always feel constrained, doing any heavier compilation slows it to a crawl and sends the temps to the very edge of what the CPU can handle, there's not even a point in having a CPU that can turbo up to 4GHz, since I never, ever, saw it happen under macOS, Finder is a joke, (Path Finder is good, but you can get there with built-in File Managers on Linux), Xcode is a joke of an IDE, stuff like syntax highlighting and autocompletion is randomly gone every couple of minutes etc.
My main problem with macOS and the hardware it runs on, is that even on a top quad-core model, you don't really feel like 'this thing has power to spare', the last thing I want to feel when working on a computer that costs over 2k.
> god forbid you have a problem (especially a hardware problem) and then try to debug it. Good luck searching online for a resolution.
I don't think that is really true anymore, places like the Arch wiki and forums are a sure way to get almost anything resolved. On the other hand, try having a hardware issue, (personally experienced WiFi drops, dead pixels and GPU glitches), on macOS, nobody even tries to resolve it themselves, you're told just ship it back to Apple.
> Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations
Not really a problem in practice, (but a very tired talking point), you just stick to your distro's 'ecosystem' and be done with it.
> Anyone figuring out the Linux/Laptop problem is re-inventing the Macbook Pro/OS X.
There are surely people doing just that, but I don't think that's the majority.
Linux with GNOME just 'clicks' better with my workflow, the system feels a lot snappier, the package manager is in charge of every update and systemd is powerful and easy to use, so I always have a very clear picture of the services running on my system and their health.
Additionally, my Linux laptop is aprox. 3x as powerful as the MBP for less money. The only thing I really wish my Linux laptop had was the MBP's superior build quality, but things like the XPS line are catching up fast, so there's hope...
Re: The Mac Pro Lives
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> I dunno, I've done all kinds of stuff to my windows 10 machine to keep Candy Crush Soda from reinstalling itself. Yet every few weeks/months that King garbage ends up on my start menu. Another anecdote, I right clicked and clicked "unpin from start" and never saw it again.
Sure, but I told windows to uninstall it. Windows reinstalled it. I told it to again, windows did it again. It bothers me. It doesn't bother you. That's fine. Microsoft lost points with me, doesn't mean it has to affect you in any way.
Besides, I thought only the Anniversary Update had CC? How would it get reinstalled?
Re: The Mac Pro Lives
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Truth. I had $1,500 earmarked for a new macbook pro before they launched. Switched to Linux for all my development work shortly after. Which, I should have done earlier tbh.
I was ready to pay 6k+ for a max MacBook pro with external gpu and whatever other usb-c accessories they were going to sell. The lack of a ram upgrade caught me off guard, really no ram upgrade in like 6 years? Really its usb-c-only and they have no usb-c accessories? SMH
Re: The Mac Pro Lives
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From my perspective: If MacOS had: up-to-date OpenGL support, Nvidia made drivers that supported new cards for it, was not locked into Mac hardware - that would be tremendous. On the other hand, if Windows had a proper shell and cli tools, like cygwin with zsh, but native and not Ubuntu layer inside - that would be tremendous. If Linux, any desktop variant (Fedora my poison), had Adobe's support for their DCC apps an…
> On the other hand, if Windows had a proper shell and cli tools, like cygwin with zsh, but native and not Ubuntu layer inside - that would be tremendous. It is PowerShell, and it really is. Until recently I thought Windows had poor CLI support, and I discovered PowerShell and now I favor it even more than bash. Am I crazy? Possibly, but PowerShell is truly a piece of gem in the CLI history. It is a thoughtfully craf…
I'd be more open to Windows if trying to manage Unix boxes from it wasn't like trying to build a ship in a bottle. I always feel like I have one hand tied behind my back trying to do my job in Windows.
For simple web browsing and office work and such, it's fine.
Re: The Mac Pro Lives
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Have they ever limited upgrades to Apple parts on a machine before?
On pretty much every other product line, yes.
Re: The Mac Pro Lives
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It isn't. You could easily check that in Task Manager or Process Explorer and/or Glasswire or whatever. Most of these things take up a trivial amount of disk space -- some of them are just placeholders -- so they're not worth the time taken to worry about them.
I understand they are not worth it, but it boggles my mind that you have to accept their presence in the first place. You never explicitly asked for it to be added there, did you?
What about the pernicious inclusion of Edie Brickell's Good Times in Windows 95? ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqL1BLzn3qc
Candy Crush Saga was actually one of the benefits of Windows 10 that Microsoft promoted, for two reasons: (1) Candy Crush was enormously popular, and (2) it provides practice in touch operations, just as Solitaire got people used to using a mouse.