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Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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If your study is claiming that software engineer compensation rose no more rapidly than the population at as a whole (they also saw a 5% increase), then something is deeply wrong with your study. Note that "Computer and math occupations" is a broad catch-all term which includes all sorts of professions, such as: Computer User Support Specialist: Provide technical assistance to computer users. Answer questions or reso…

Here in flyover country, companies are paying new-grad software engineers 30-38k.

I am in Indiana. We pay new grads about 70k. Senior software engineers (10y/xp) are earning 100-130k+bonus.

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I think you're missing two key points here - 1) what are corporations doing with their increased profits as a result of tactics like abuse of the H1B system?, and 2) what portion of H1B salaries ends up back in the US economy vs. abroad? The net effect for the overall economy is only going to be better under the current H1B system if companies reinvest their profits into productive uses, which they haven't been [1].…

It's not about selling stuff to India, its about selling stuff to the world and Indian developers help us do that. And it's not H1B abuse it's what it's intended for. Since we slammed the door on immigration 50 years ago, this program was created to release a tiny amount of the massive pressure of super smart people world wide who want to come to the US and help make it better. It's funny that engineers don't get the…

I'm sorry, but I'm somewhat confused by your comment. Are you for or against the current H1B system? I'm not sure what economic outcome you're saying is its natural result.

To your point on corporate taxes, please see [1] and [2]. The effective tax rate on US corporations is on par with that for corporations in other large Western countries. I'm all for reforming the corporate tax code, but talking about it as though the effective rates are sky-high is not really going to get us very far.

[1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/taxanalysts/2015/03/25/the-truth...

[2] https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42726.pdf

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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I'll just suggest that it's probably a great time for tech companies to open a Bangalore or Gurgaon office. Bangalore in particular is a good choice - the people are smart, the infrastructure is good, and it's a very pleasant place to visit. Perfect weather all year and the best breakfast in India. Also a very strong tech culture; second in the world to SF, in my view, and without many of the social pathologies [1] t…

| Meritocracy is still considered a core value and a great thing.

No it isn't. There is something called "Reservation" which is affirmative action designed to lift up exploited lower castes. It was also setup to reduce the domination of upper castes in white collar (and other) professions.

The results are far from ideal, though things get better each passing day in the younger generations. Upper castes believe merit based college and thus jobs have been stolen from them. All castes are able to circumvent merit with bribes & money.

| There's a lot less xenophobia

Yea, no ..Apart from the religion & caste issues, native Bangaloreans & Kannada are well known for despising & discriminating against "outsiders" from other parts of India for "ruining their city". If it were that legions of Chinese/Koreans/Arabs/Europeans etc were arriving in Bangalore for tech jobs, like they do in SF, there would be riots. Every major Indian city has seen some form of violence, protests against folks from other parts of India.

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I've come to accept that I'm no good at whiteboard interviews. The only way I can get hired nowadays is either via a personal referral and/or an employer so desperate (or serious enough about hiring someone in a reasonable time-frame) that they short-circuit their interview process and skip the whole whiteboard hazing process. For my current job, I had a total of 2 phone conversations (first with a recruiter, second…

I'd love to have an interview where I got to show off what I know with some whiteboard problems. Every interview I've ever had usually goes like "So tell us about the kind of projects you've done in school or on your own." I don't have any huge personal projects, just a million little ones and for the most part, my school projects have been very uninteresting and not 100% towards the interests I have. I end up soundi…

apply for amazon, you'll have fun.

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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Excuse me it was not a complaint it was a criticism breifly and carefuly explained to be constructive. I was pointing out that if you had wrote: "Assume salaries are determined exclusively, predictably and linearly by labour supply..." the position for your observations would be clearly flawed, so you would have to examine them more and find a better footing for them (which there may well be - i havent wondered). But…

You are suggesting that a symbolic form implies "precision", further implying "exclusive determination"? I disagree, in this case I used a symbolic form to prevent ambiguity, that is all. The relationship outlined is done so in a precise manner, but it is not comprehensive. also, you'll note I described the relationship as "is-a-function-of", which provides sufficient cover in any case.

If you used a symbolic form to prevent ambiguity how are you now calling on magic inside of an anonymous function?

You even alluded to calculus with "dS(t)/dt"

This use of maths was clearly completely stylistic.

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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I see allegations, but no true corruption. Could you please cite a specific example? Hiring a Goldman banker is no proof of corruption.

I said corruptive patterns, ie, things commonly associated with corruption, like hiring insiders from the very companies the agency is regulating.

Insiders tend to be knowledgeable

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Arguing with strangers on the Internet is not something I enjoy, so I'll just point out some details of this that I either didn't cover or that were apparently overlooked. 1) We actually did match Netflix's offer in total comp, by offering Bob a mix of base salary and stock that exceeded the total value of their Netflix offer significantly. The difference is that Netflix's offer was all cash. It is very hard to compa…

I applaud you for paying H1B the same as your other employees. I was an H1B myself in SV. My experience, and those of my peers, differs greatly from your experience. To answer some of your points here: > It is very hard to compare a Netflix offer to a pre-IPO Twitter offer except in hindsight. No, its not hard. There's overwhelming evidence that the expected future value of a pre-IPO start-up is zero. Its a lottery.…

Your last example is an instance of the other class of employer I mentioned. They are clearly abusing the system. I would love for the H1-B to be fixed so that they aren't able to take advantage, although I think the law of unintended consequences may well kick in. The proximate thing that would do for the H1-Bs I've known is make it so that they aren't sweating bullets to see if they got lucky in the lottery.

Re: future value being zero, um, no. You can argue that the expected value is low, but it's certainly not zero. I personally am financially independent because of Twitter's IPO, and I've been through another IPO since which has made me money. People at Google did well in their IPO, Facebook people also did well. Some IPOs people didn't do so well (Box is the most well-known recent example, but there are many where people ended up with 10's or maybe 100's of thousands of dollars when they were hoping for millions -- still not zero tho).

And speaking of lotteries -- lottery tickets generally have lower expected value, but even in this example there are exceptions.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/25/us/group-invests-5-million...

Then there are the startups where you don't go public, but get acquired by a public company. Those often net the staff something meaningful tied to hitting a post-acquisition milestone. They may not be directly tied to stock (common shareholders get wiped out), but it is correlated. So even in some significant percentage of the failure cases you aren't wasting time negotiating for more stock.

At any rate, if you truly believe stock is worth nothing and should be completely discounted, fine. You're not Bob. Bob believed differently, behaved according to his belief, and most importantly Bob did better financially because of his decision -- and in a relatively short time frame.

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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H1B employees being exploited works in Murica's favor. It means American companies are more competitive at the expense of some Rajesh from Chennai. This is something Trump should love. Even if American companies are paying lower wages I don't see the problem. It helps American companies make more profit and lower prices for American consumers. Something that we all must cheer. Some people argue that it lowers the wag…

If Rajesh from Chennai is sending all his money back to Chennai, Americans won't have the funds to benefit from the lower prices. You can see a just released Hollywood movie in the theatre for $3 in Indonesia, that doesn't mean it's better to live there.

> If Rajesh from Chennai is sending all his money back to Chennai, Americans won't have the funds to benefit from the lower prices.

LOL! That is mistaking money for value. If Rajesh sends the money back to Chennai it will very likely increase the value of money for Americans which affects the poorest of poor in a very good way.

I would however worry more about Rajesh maxing out his credit cards and then catching flight to India. :P

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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You are suggesting that a symbolic form implies "precision", further implying "exclusive determination"? I disagree, in this case I used a symbolic form to prevent ambiguity, that is all. The relationship outlined is done so in a precise manner, but it is not comprehensive. also, you'll note I described the relationship as "is-a-function-of", which provides sufficient cover in any case.

If you used a symbolic form to prevent ambiguity how are you now calling on magic inside of an anonymous function? You even alluded to calculus with "dS(t)/dt" This use of maths was clearly completely stylistic.

> You even alluded to calculus with "dS(t)/dt"

yes, to allude to a relationship to rate, hence reducing one form of ambiguity, (but not all possible ambiguities!).

non-clarity, and purposeful ambiguity is different. Also, be specific on one aspect (in this the on the point I was trying to make) and general else where (any other unrelated economic stuff) is not uncommon or inconsistent.

Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants

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If you used a symbolic form to prevent ambiguity how are you now calling on magic inside of an anonymous function? You even alluded to calculus with "dS(t)/dt" This use of maths was clearly completely stylistic.

> You even alluded to calculus with "dS(t)/dt" yes, to allude to a relationship to rate , hence reducing one form of ambiguity, (but not all possible ambiguities!). non-clarity, and purposeful ambiguity is different. Also, be specific on one aspect (in this the on the point I was trying to make) and general else where (any other unrelated economic stuff) is not uncommon or inconsistent.

Ok if youre going stick with this its fine - its clear, that you use mathematical expressions to allude to things, not to define them. And that you find it not uncommon or inconsistent to base observations on clearly insufficient mathematical expressions, appealing to ambiguity in your math to carry such technique.
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