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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by krallja »

addicted wrote: post #252
jayd16 wrote: post #149

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The pain is completely self imposed. Wired ports and wireless technology are not mutually exclusive. USB-C is great bit there's no reason to remove all other ports. Technology will get adopted. It doesn't have to be forced.

The people who compared the USB-C move to Apple's past moves were completely ignoring that in the past Apple replaced the FLoppy drive with the CD rom, but still kept all the other ports around. This time round Apple has replaced every port with a USB-C port, which means I don't need to transition only 1 interface. I need to transition all. And the most painful part about this move is they are doing it to the product…

> Apple replaced the FLoppy drive with the CD rom, but still kept all the other ports around.

What? That's not even close to true. The iMac replaced all of Apple's then-standard ports with USB. ADB: gone. Serial: gone. SCSI: gone.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by rdw »

trome wrote: post #412
rdw wrote: post #411

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I think a lot of Mac users are forgetting how awful the Windows ecosystem still is. One gets used to everything mostly working and think that that's how it is on the other side, too. Meanwhile, one guy I know bought a new Windows laptop to replace his flaky older one. On the new computer, audio doesn't work. Programs load slowly (~10 minutes to start up software that takes 10 seconds for me). It turned out the flakin…

Is his "new" machine using spinning rust for Win10? Cause that is what it sounds like, I don't get why people inflict non-SSD computers on themselves, its just a positively awful experience.

It's an SSD. I suspect there's some sort of middleware that's scanning every file, like antivirus or something. That kinda thing adds up quickly.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by rdw »

sydd wrote: post #430
rdw wrote: post #411

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I think a lot of Mac users are forgetting how awful the Windows ecosystem still is. One gets used to everything mostly working and think that that's how it is on the other side, too. Meanwhile, one guy I know bought a new Windows laptop to replace his flaky older one. On the new computer, audio doesn't work. Programs load slowly (~10 minutes to start up software that takes 10 seconds for me). It turned out the flakin…

1. Some Windows PCs are shitty because there are so many choices. You can't expect a Mac pro speed and build quality from a $300 laptop. But you can get Mac pro level build quality and better specs for less from some manufacturers (Microsoft, Dell,..) 2. Windows and any other OS gets laggy is you load it full with crap. On Windows this is easier, since everyone targets you on the web.

There's a huge additional burden on the customer to select the right device, do special steps on purchase to remove the manufacturer's crapware, avoid mucking up the internals by installing the wrong software.

If you value your time at zero, and there have definitely been times in my life where I have, then this is a fine tradeoff to make. But I think a lot of the busy professionals who are bemoaning the touch bar aren't thinking about how they'll spend a few weekends trying different driver versions, or that they'll miss out on an important deliverable because their computer restarted itself in the middle of uploading the file. Externalities!

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by joelwilliamson »

givinguflac wrote: post #372
bsder wrote: post #314

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If only there were a wired protocol that is high-speed, has a standard connector, can deliver power, and has both bandwidth and latency controls ... wouldn't that be wonderful? Then we wouldn't have to reinvent all of these wires. (Yes, sarcasm. That protocol is called Ethernet. And basically every high-speed interface we currently have is a bad reimplementation of it for political reasons.)

Good luck with 40Gb/s speeds or pushing 100W on ethernet. (Sure you could use HDBaseT for 100W but we're talking about getting rid of adapters right?) It's definitely not just for political reasons, that's disingenuous at best.

100Gb ethernet has been around since 2010.

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Post by weaksauce »

xenihn wrote: post #463
weaksauce wrote: post #325

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I'd be interested to see your part list and share any experiences you have with it. email is in profile if you don't want to share it here.

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Thanks! Wow that's a hd monitor. I have a 30" 2560x1600 and I thought that was nice. how do you like it?

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Post by slededit »

hellofunk wrote: post #298
jungturk wrote: post #115

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I'm confused why the presence of Xcode would prevent one from using a Mac with whatever IDE they preferred. Atom, IntelliJ, VSCode, Sublime, VIM, etc... all work just fine on Macs.

You are correct. You don't need Xcode for all the code you write for Apple's platforms. You need it to build and link to Apple libraries or the App Store, but you can edit code elsewhere.

You can compile and link without XCode too. Apple just makes it annoying to do so, and the documentation frequently says the equivalent of "just use XCode".

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Post by colept »

_delirium wrote: post #339
colept wrote: post #181

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A maxed out iMac would depreciate within 5 years, and any particular part would render your entire system unusable for week(s). Three years later and Apple adds a new feature that for the slightest reason requires an entire hardware upgrade because you can't upgrade components individually. Then factor in that the thin iMacs have terrible heat dissipation which means the CPU can't run at full speed without overheatin…

I'm not going to claim they're really cost-competitive with PC equivalents, just that they're fast enough machines to make good workstations, and the price is within the range of what our IT considers a reasonable office workstation purchase price. At least where I work, desktop machines aren't kept for five years anyway, so I don't think this distinguishes it from any other supplier. Our standard depreciation/replac…

> just that they're fast enough machines to make good workstations

Except they're not. The heat dissipation in the thin iMacs is terrible in that it prevents the CPU from working at full capacity 100% of the time.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by overgryphon »

electic wrote: post #234
fritzw wrote: post #112

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You had me at scrolling. Apple is in denial. If nothing else it's the number of times I've witnessed someone try to manipulate the OS on a MacBook only to find themselves dumpfounded, "duh it's not a touchscreen". Well maybe it should be

I really think those people would be better off with an iPad. At least that is the skill level you are describing.

People who use a touchscreen laptop are used to scrolling with a touchscreen. It has nothing to do with skill level of the user.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by Girlang »

For a professional workstation, Mac hardware isn't even remotely useful. No NVIDIA, only 64 GB of RAM, only a single Xeon. No real "professional" would use the Mac Pro, only a low-level designer type who doesn't care about 30-bit color.

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Post by uabstraction »

muninn_ wrote: post #335
beat wrote: post #257

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Apogee Ensemble Firewire. A Thunderbolt replacement would be $2500. There are other, less expensive options, but I'm still stuck with a minimum of $300 (new interface that supports ADAT, reuse the Ensemble with that) and probably upwards of $1000 to get equivalent functionality. This, on top of the cost of a new computer.

Yeah it may suck for you, but it won't suck for the people that buy whatever this equipment is and then use it over USB-C once that company makes the conversion. It's like if we had no common way of measuring things. Imagine having to walk around with like 10 different tape measures because there was no standard. It's stupid. All of these different port interfaces are just like that.

Yeah. It's no big deal. Santa will be coming by real soon with new shiny USB Type C toys to replace our obsolete ones. It's a good thing Santa can write blank checks.
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