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> public perception of gay marriage Although Obama was opposed to gay marriage when elected, I will say that this is an issue that the progressives have driven into the public consciousness. But Trump will be the first elected President to support gay marriage when entering office. > police violence against blacks There are far more protests about police violence against blacks now.

I mean, if you call not openly campaigning against it support, I guess. His campaign didn't throw them many bones.

I think changing the mindset of Republicans will have the most impact. If we had another candidate they would have made "defending traditional family" a stump issue.

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>Institutional racism is real Any evidence of this claim? Cause as an outsider to the US I see a black president and a lot of reversed-racism (affirmite action I think you ppl call it)

Sure, the way the law works is different for black communities. For example, http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/06/news/ferguson-arrest-warrant... shows that people in Ferguson are being arrested for things that wouldn't even be considered a crime where I live. Compare that with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch or http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/us/oregon-standoff-ammon-bundy... and you will begin to see how crime…

After the whole year of Clinton propaganda the Clinton News Network is a joke to me, it's basically NK tier "news" (propaganda). Besides that what You said is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence Please give me some scientific articles (there should be a plethora of them considering how hot this topic is) with actuall statistics and measurments that would support this claim. In my opinion this is a victim complex (similar to the Jews and Holocaust) where people want to milk historical events for their own personal gains

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I don't live in the US, so I'm out of that particular loop, but I was talking to an american friend of mine about police shootings and he told me about BLM, and I said "but it seems to me that the issue isn't that the police shouldn't be killing black people, it's that the police shouldn't be killing anyone !". It seems that the argument has been framed around black people's mistreatment in general, which is fair eno…

Only if you don't know the stories. Its famous that white serial killers are treated better in some circumstances, than black people selling cigarettes on a street corner. One gets taken to McDonalds on the way to jail; the other strangled and killed.

Really? Wow. Yeah, that's... a problem.

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> We cannot realistically expect the public to read academic publications before voting. No, but we can hope that people would at least listen to those who dedicate their lives to a rigorous study of society rather than dismiss their views based on nothing of the sort. Academics (and journalists) don't explain those terms and the reasoning behind them only in academic publications.

There's been so much open questioning of experts and authorities that often people no longer trust someone who claims to be an expert. Think of controversial topics such as tobacco, climate change, anti-vaccination, GMOs. Skepticism is great, healthy, and necessary. When those who are honest about the role of skepticism, what "theory" means, and the limits of what they're able to show meet with those who are willing…

I totally agree. I think that ironically this has created an atmosphere where manipulating people is easier than when the elites had more influence. It may be harder to manipulate all of the people in the same direction, but it's easier to manipulate a large group.

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I'm not sure understand what you're asking. Researchers in every field are always a "self appointed caste" and, yes, they tend to be privileged. Racism as an academic term is defined by the academic discipline that studies it, just as physicists get to decide what constitutes energy under the academic definition of energy, even though the word had existed thousands of years earlier, and with a different meaning. I do…

No, because without repeatability and predictability, an academic is usually just a charlatan

Why do you say "without repeatability and predictability"? Social studies must be reproducible. When they are not, they are discredited (where are you getting your information about social science?) As we speak, there are academic organizations being formed to do exactly that: to reproduce more social science results. Prediction, as I explained, is generally impossible, just as it is impossible in computer science and biology in the general case, but in simplified situations, it exists and it is expected. Not only that, it is being used as a technology. Many manipulation techniques employed by large websites employ social science results to great effect.

I think you're attacking a strawman image of social science that's been constructed by people who really have no clue. That's not to say that the social sciences aren't plagued by many methodological problems, but we actually do know quite a lot.

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Your assertion that LGBT rights activists didn't come up with civil unions isn't backed in history. In fact during the time DOMA was proposed many activists supported civil unions as a compromise. It was the right wing that chose to oppose that as well as the ENDA bill even when transgender protections (for folks like me) were ejected from the bill. So, I suggest you correct your statements on that post to be histori…

If I'm wrong, I'd like not to be, but I'm having trouble finding references to substantiate this claim. Would you happen to have something suitable at hand?

Google it, trust me. Plenty of noise on the right during the 1990s/early-2000s was in strong opposition to civil unions as a whole. Whether it was Falwell and Roberts or the RNC talking heads it was always responded to negatively. They saw it as a slippery slope to full civil marriage.

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They learned to self censor, lest they be shouted down and branded for heresy by the left wing ideologues with an axe to grind.

...or be branded as "brain-washed" dupes of lame-stream media by right wing ideologues with a meme-generator. everyone's shouting past each other.

There is no symmetry here. The left has captured most education, media and government organizations.

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> Those with the "correct" political views can basically tell people to kill themselves That's just simply untrue. Hyperbole and lies don't help in these conversations. (And I say this as someone who thinks that Facebook and Twitter have no place being arbiters of "truth"). Downvoted to -4 on HN for saying that Twitter doesn't allow liberals special privileges to threaten violence on Twitter. Gotta just love this pla…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12974189 for being much more uncivil than what is called for on this site. We have to ask again that you not do this.

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(TL;DR: I believe the term is being used both proscriptively and descriptively, and that is the heart of the problem) > One group yells "women belong in the kitchen; blacks are inferior" or whatever. I, and even most conservatives, would have absolutely no problem calling that racism or sexism. Those are overt, direct statements meeting the popular definitions of those terms. I am assuming we are debating the more ex…

> I agree, as long as it can be established that it does indeed have a useful purpose as a descriptive term. But it does. The definition has become more refined in order to be more useful. This is commonly done in science. > You are surely aware that one fashionable definition of racism, with some academic support, is that it is equivalent to power or privilege, and therefore no member of a disadvantaged group can be…

I'm sorry you're getting downvoted. I'm very happy you're willing to engage with me on this. Obviously I'm somewhat familiar with this subject, but not as much as you, and it's nice to have a more detailed discussion on HN.

> But it is important to understand that in either case the word does not refer to individuals and certainly not to their sentiments, but to the way they are a vessel for social dynamics.

> the main mechanism by which racism is perpetuated has little to do with people's conscious intentions.

Yep, I understand this, and this is key to the disconnect between academia and the public. Academia is saying, "it's not individuals, it's institutions, social habits, etc". That's a perfectly legitimate and important point to make.

But the public hears "you're racist" (by which academia and their surrogates mean, "you're a participant in these phenomena"), and understands it to mean "xenophobia" (implying intentionality). And you cannot fault the public for this misunderstanding because that is the common and historical meaning of the word.

> The left cares a lot more about the result, and it turns out that what you call "overt racism" has very little effect on the result, and it is racism in the broader sense that is much more important. The left wants to draw attention to what it views as the bigger problem.

As they should. I think we agree on just about everything except the question of whether repurposing an existing word is an unhelpful confusion-causing conflation or not. I do not question the motives of academia or the left on this issue, only their linguistic methods. They are the ones trying to make the change, so they are the ones responsible for clear communication.

More concretely, I am arguing that this confusion has cost the left dearly in this election on the very goals they claim to be working towards.

> Once you know that your actions are part of an unwanted social dynamics, you can choose to change them.

Just to be clear then, it is possible for a person, even a white person, not to be racist assuming they take appropriate actions? If so, I think we are very close to resolving our disagreement.

> Without intent does not mean without choice. When I smoke a cigarette I don't intend to make myself sick...

A decent analogy. I think however when we shift from the popular to the academic definition of racism, we have made a crucial shift from a "negative ethical obligation" (an obligation not to do direct harm to another) to a positive one (an obligation to take direct action to fix problems you didn't directly cause). Generally positive obligations are weaker and more dubious than negative ones, so this could be seen by conservatives as a bit of a bait-and-switch.

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Finally, Twitter is growing up and moving past its cowardly, childish "free speech" dogma. It's taken them way too long to get here though.

...except the people that want to hurt the president elect, call for all white men to be killed, and rape the president elect's wife. I've seen all of this and more on Twitter and these accounts have not been touched. It's childish for Twitter to use its power to silence political opponents. Some of these alt-right accounts deserved to get banned. Others were just people expressing their political beliefs and not dir…

You've continued to create multiple accounts to post primarily political and ideological rants. This is an abuse of the site, so we've banned these accounts.
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