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I also hate open office plans. Everyone needs a little bit of privacy if not much during their work.

I won't feel good if my manager/co-worker comes to my desk at the time when I was just switching to some music on youtube. It can give a wrong impression of you even when you know you were not doing the wrong thing.

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> When people see their teams working hard around them, they > have little excuse not to follow the suit. > In private offices... ...most people are actually fairly > weak against distractions generated from their own computer I think this is true. When left totally to my own with medium-term or long-term deadlines it's hard to resist the pull of distractions on the web. But that is also fairly easily mitigated with…

But that is also fairly easily mitigated with methodologies like Scrum where you are frequently touching base with other team members. Seriously, FUCK THAT SCRUM SHIT . A daily status meeting isn't that bad, but "you can only work on it if it's in the backlog" and "sprints" and backlog grooming meetings and this brand of aggressive micromanagement that has revived itself in the name of "Agile"... all of that nonsense…

I seriously need a 'die in a taint fire'-button. So many uses!

Re: “Today we moved into our new Facebook building”

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So they invented a conference room or office that can't accommodate those with mobility issues? "Someone clear a path for the wheelchair!"

Really? We're that politically correct now that we can't have a joke meeting-room-ballpit to celebrate the opening of a new building without offending someone?

The Americans with Disabilities Act exists for a reason. It's not about being "politically correct", it's about accessibility. And yes, it's the law.

Re: “Today we moved into our new Facebook building”

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So we should get rid of building codes, too?

Workplace setup is almost strictly a matter of preference.

It's not about a workplace setup, it's about responsible energy production.

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> There are a number of reasons to use open-plan offices, not all disreputable, as I explained here: https://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2015/03/02/open-plan-of... . That said, a common reason for it is back-door age discrimination. Wait, what? How do open office plans put women, older folks, and lower-income folks at a disadvantage?

Open-plan offices require you to trust strangers in a way that most people aren't comfortable with. Being visible to someone while working (i.e. doing an activity where your income depends as much on how you are perceived while doing it as on what you actually do) is a form of mandated trust of others. It doesn't come naturally to people whose life experiences involve violations of trust, embarrassing illnesses, or p…

Even if those correlations hold true and have the effect you're describing (I'm far from convinced that's the case, but it's moot), it strains credulity by a mile to claim that this is some byzantine plot for "backdoor age/sex/income-discrimination". That would mean that those making decisions about open offices are 1) thinking through the complex and frankly tenuous connections that you're describing, 2) finding them credible, and 3) deciding that the collateral damage to other employees' productivity and happiness is somehow worth the weak effect this would have on furthering discrimination. There are an infinite number of ways to backdoor-discriminate on those bases that are not very noticeable, far more effective,

Re: “Today we moved into our new Facebook building”

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I work as a fairly senior SWE at Google, coming off 20+ years with private offices (some of that time full-time remote), and I agree with everything you said. I knew it would be hard going into the job. I actually get up at 5am so I can have a few quiet hours at my desk before the rest of the folks show up & it turns into a total zoo.

My question isn't necessarily specific to Google, but is it frowned upon if you bring noise-cancelling headphones? I am a weirdly fluctuating person and some days I work best in total seclusion. Others I need to sit in the middle of a cafe and have the noise and people around me. So my goal is to be as adaptive as possible without harming the day-to-day work life.

When we got moved into an open floorplan office, all engineers were issued Bose noise cancelling headphones. They're not perfect (you can still hear close conversations) but they're at least officially approved.

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Ever seen what normal people make? It's a pittance in comparison.

That depends on who is your measure for normal in comparison to programmers: Lawyers? Doctors? Waiters? Cleaners? After that is decided we can check whether you or the GP post is more correct.

Perhaps just look for the median employed person's income as a rough yardstick?

Re: “Today we moved into our new Facebook building”

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I've seen the phrase "all the research" thrown around quite a lot in this thread. Would you mind linking to a few studies you refer to? Mainly, I'm curious about how they define productivity. An office full of people performing completely independent tasks is almost certainly less productive than having separate offices; the advantage of open offices comes when everyone's work is interrelated. In an open environment,…

> I've seen the phrase "all the research" thrown around quite a lot in this thread. Would you mind linking to a few studies you refer to? There's a good New Yorker article[1] from last year that references a number of studies. This blog post[2] links to a couple others and addresses costs/alternatives. Also, "a study of over 40,000 survey responses collected over a decade has found that the benefits for workers are q…

Thanks for this, I went away for a week and didn't know this sub-thread took off so much and felt bad for not responding.
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