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Re: Hyperloop

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If he's going to build it over farmland, whether he uses solar panels or not is irrelevant to the farm. The land would be rented/bought/imminent domained just like normal rail would.

He makes a point that by building on pylons he specifically doesn't need to do any of that.

He makes the point that he doesn't need to block 100 feet from each side of the track, as well as put barriers in place to prevent animal crossing and blocking farmers from getting to the other side of the farm, in the same way power lines today use space. That means he would need some non-farmable area around the track, yes, but that it wouldn't disrupt the farm like a normal HSR track would.

Re: Hyperloop

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post #279

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If you can't stand being in an enclosed space like that, there's still the interstate. Is not meant to be everyone's ideal solution, it's meant to be a good solution for most people.

Given ADA, would it be even legal for the California government to build this instead of a classic HSR? It's not even about claustrophobics, people in wheelchairs couldn't be serviced at all and obese people would be trouble too.

I don't see why they couldn't. You could just leave out one or two rows of seats and have plenty of room for a wheelchair, also extra luggage and package (if no wheelchair was onboard). You could have that in maybe one car out of five or ten, given that a new car arrives every thirty seconds.

Re: Hyperloop

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Aside from the whole "will they actually build it" debate, I'm worried that if they do, the capsule ceiling won't be high enough for someone fairly tall (let's say 6'5'' or taller) to sit in comfortably. I'd assume the height of the capsule will have some effect on the drag involved, as well as the necessary size of the tube, so it makes sense to make it as short as possible.

Musk himself stands just below 6', so he may not naturally think of us taller folk. I'd hate to have to slouch for the trip, even if it is only projected to be 35 minutes.

edit: dear tall people who have ridden in one of Tesla's cars: how's the headroom in a Model S?

Re: Hyperloop

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post #332

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This is also disgusting. Can you imagine a Greyhound where every seat was also a toilet? I would definitely think long and hard before riding it.

I was being facetious.

Better than being faecetious...

Re: Hyperloop

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post #362

Note that the UK's new high speed rail (HS2) is budgeted at £33bn ($51bn) and likely to exceed that[0]. Being mostly straight, and across land already approved for rail use, it seems like an ideal candidate for a hyperloop alternative. At 120 miles long[1] compared to the SF LA ~350 miles, a UK hyperloop would be even cheaper, especially since the major cost is the tube itself. A back of the envelope calculation[2] g…

The two biggest budgeted costs in the latest report I can find (£16B) are stations (£1.7B) and tunnels (£1.4B). (Also noteworthy is that almost £10B of the overall £16B figure is for risk provision.) More directly comparable is the £1B figure for land acquisition: that isn't going to fall by much.

Re: Hyperloop

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Most fascinating likely medium-term event: The hyperloop will be built outside the US, most likely in China, after changes and development that help China claim it as primarily Chinese in design.

I agree. This is great but it won't be built in the US.

We have become risk averse. No grand sweeping visions of building interesting infrastructure like TVA, the Interstate (though that was poorly implemented in many areas), etc.

Re: Hyperloop

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California will get more crowded, but it will continue to be a disaster of urban planning, limiting the utility of HSR. It's mind boggling to me that the California HSR isn't being built from DC to Boston instead.

Uhm, LA alone has more people than DC and Boston combined. Plus another 9 million living in the Bay Area. This is far and away the most obvious candidate for direct HSR in all of North America.

No, the Northeast corridor is the clear winner for HSR in the United States.[1]

The difference is, we already have the Acela, so it just needs a speed upgrade.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Megalopolis

Re: Hyperloop

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It's nice that it doesn't have drivers. As someone who visits the SF area a lot, the BART drivers strike way too much and have to be replaced by automated trains. So this is a nice step forward.

They go on strike circa every 20 years [1]. I guess you could call that "way too much", but that seems hyperbolic to me.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Bay_Area_Rapid_T...

Re: Hyperloop

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"For those who don't know the lingo, "rolling stock" just means "all the vehicles on the train." Does he say this explicitly? (Sorry if I missed it.) Why can't you make a train car just as light as these cars, and also skip the weight of the tube?

Probably regulations. They have to maintain integrity in collisions. I don't know if they have to take into account having very heavy freight trains on the same tracks as well.

Train regulations are retarded in the US and haven't been reformed for over 50 years. Basically if you plan on having a crossing or sharing track with a freight train you automatically are stuck with the FRA regulations which apply to freight trains and are also pointless. Those regulations require absurd rigidity of rolling stock to the point that train-sets built for those specifications actually are more expensive to maintain, fail more often simply (rolling stock becomes too heavy), and are much more unsafe.

For example FRA requires train rolling stock to withstand 800,000lbs of force on impact without permanent damage. The European requirement on the other hand is less than half of that. The European requirements instead aim for adding "crumple zones" to the cars to absorb energy and protect occupants similar to how automobiles use crumple zones.

This is why there's an obsession in the USA regarding light-rail. Light-rail sidesteps the FRA regulations by creating a separate track and rolling stock that doesn't have crossing with heavy rail.

I believe if we simply reformed FRA regulations we could probably cut all rail development by a sizable chunk as we would be able to buy rolling stock as-is from European and Asian suppliers.

But anyway, back to the point being discussed. A sizable chunk of China's HSR network was built elevated so it is certainly feasible to put today's HSR tech on pylons. But just because you elevate something doesn't magically get you away from Environmental Reviews which I think is another area where a majority of the cost in public works project lies.

Environmental reviews will still be required for Hyperloop. Since it is actually a new system, I would expect it to get even more scrutiny in the public eye because it will sound even more magical and also offend even more people since there won't be any intermediate stops. Remember that much of the California HSR political issues are because central valley cities and towns want an HSR station in their town (of course they don't want to fund the station). So many of these towns basically come to the table and say "we'll give you the land if you give us a station, otherwise we won't help you." The Hyperloop concept basically ignores this argument.

Keep in mind that despite environmental reviews having the word "environment" in them, they are actually also public hearings where the public can voice their opinions which can include things like additional noise and traffic. For example if your project blocks out the beach view of a home-owner's house overlooking the ocean, you can sure bet that they'll be at the environmental review and give you an earful about how you can't build your tube/track/freeway/skyscraper/windmill there. Yes that's a bit of hyperbole but that's basically how the environmental review phase is abused.

Because of that, I've come to the conclusion that we won't have any significant improvement in infrastructure in this country until CEQA/NEPA are reformed to allow not just public entities to build infrastructure, but also private entities as well.

Re: Hyperloop

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post #286

I hate to be a party pooper, but I see some economic issues. My takeaway is that while the 7 billion fixed costs will be low, the operating costs are going to be huge. Battery packs and solar cells will need replacement. Large maintenance teams will be needed with immediate response times to fix issues such as complete seal blowouts, etc. I think the first few years will be great! But in my opinion maintaining this s…

The tube is steel, shouldn't be a problem. The electronics are only a small fraction of the cost. It is mostly just the cost of the tube, pylons, and land.
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