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Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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As feedback, you made that popup way too clean and easy to close. That’s not how it works in reality. You need to make the background transparent and the X so small it’s technically impossible to hit. Also think about adding an ad and a timer and move the popup slightly after N ms so that the user always hits the ad.

Noted. Will make it worse. Thanks.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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"Every time you visit the websites managed by the European Commission, you will be prompted to accept or refuse cookies." https://european-union.europa.eu/cookies_en

So much for "it's corps doing malicious compliance"

The Commission represents big business, not the people, but I assume the same is on the European Parliament which does.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Bullshit. There’s no need to track every visitor. Just stop tracking and you don’t need a cookie banner. The only mistake EU policymakers made was underestimating how willing companies were to deface their websites.

>The only mistake EU policymakers made was underestimating how willing companies were to deface their websites. Yes and that is a MASSIVE mistake for a policymaker to commit. They should absolutely be pilloried for their incredible lack of foresight and understanding of how internet companies handle compliance. The policy has set back humanity by further desensitizing internet users around the world to the terrible,…

idk, I think it's actually really funny when you phrase it as Google defaced their own website.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Bullshit. There’s no need to track every visitor. Just stop tracking and you don’t need a cookie banner. The only mistake EU policymakers made was underestimating how willing companies were to deface their websites.

The policy is both, good, but also flawed. For example, you cannot persist settings, because one policy says that website settings should be ephemeral unless user agrees to persist them.

Nope, that's FUD. Here's what it actually says: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/

Settings are not mentioned. Cookies are not mentioned.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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I don't think it does? Popups are one thing, but the very possibility of dynamic content entails that stuff will shift on the page. Sometimes it's just the nature of the thing, like a chatroom or a notification stream -- it'll shift as new content arrives, which is what I want most of the time, but if I'm interacting with a message, that message shouldn't shift. I'd like a general solution to this. Does that exist?

Devil's advocate, the worst-case scenario is really bad, and would probably be common: A random button your pointer is unintentionally hovering on stays put while the rest of the page wildly formats around it, super-janky UX.

While this may look like shit, I don't actually think this is all that bad a scenario. It's a better worst-case scenario than the 'button moved right into/away from my cursor' scenario.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Clever people with no morals use that to load ads under your finger, timed to create an inadvertent click. I swear NYT do this in their games app, the play button gets replaced with a subscribe as the late loaded subscribe element shifts the page exactly the amount to put subscribe under your finger. I wonder how well it worked?

Nothing clever about it: it’s a simple and unethical parlour trick. Every news website does it and, in the UK, the local news outlets are amongst the worst. The thing I don’t get: many of these sites are running Google Adsense, amongst other ad networks. Adsense Ts & Cs specifically forbid site behaviour that deliberately causes users to misclick on ads. So why aren’t these sites being banned by Adsense? The answer,…

Programmers tend to think rules are actually rules, because if you don't follow the rules on a computer then it won't work. But rules in politics and capitalism are primarily a manipulation technique. They state as a fact what they want you to think is fact, not what is actually a fact.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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The best one now is “Read for free” (give me all the trackers) or join a subscription and you can opt out. Pretty much every news / media site now

That one is honest at least, makes you aware that you're the product.

I respect it, even though courts keep ruling that it's illegal (because it's not freely given consent if you are giving something in return for it)

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Yes, but on whom does it work? Does it work because you're taking advantage of a group of people who are extremely vulnerable to manipulation? People who already struggle with impulse control, who are prone to making bad financial decisions? The elderly, kids? We have to escape this mentality that anything that makes money is valid, that the money itself is the validation of "rightness". Some of us, just some think t…

> We have to escape this mentality that anything that makes money is valid, that the money itself is the validation of "rightness". I agree. But. I run an online business. It's tough. I scrape by. GP noted that the skeezy popup "Boosted conversion rate meaningfully". So that's real money in GP's pocket that they presumably use to have a nicer life. At what cost? Some popup? I mean… Would I take more money in my pocke…

Yeah, I mean at the end of the day there is clearly a spectrum of conversion rate optimizing stuff you can do, some of which is fine and some of which is unethical. A/B testing the color of your add to cart button and using the one that converts best? I think it'd be a little crazy to argue that's unethical manipulation. Lying to customers about the product to get them to buy? Obviously bad.

Silly obnoxious social proof popup is clearly on the ethical side in my view (my issue was never ethics, just that I personally find them very annoying). I'm not misleading anyone (it does in fact show real purchases) or forcing anyone to do anything. If that's the difference between you buying or not, I still feel perfectly comfortable that you made the choice of your own free will.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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I started an e-commerce brand on a Shopify site. I swore to myself I would never put up one of those stupid things that pops up "Someone bought X product an hour ago!" messages in the corner of the screen. I ended up trying it. Boosted conversion rate meaningfully. Worth the price I pay in mild self-loathing. Chesterton's popup, I guess.

Genuine curiosity - is the pop up vaguely factual or sort of randomly generated?

Entirely factual. It's "Someone from bought ago!" with a picture of the product. All purchases are real.
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