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New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health

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Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health

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Interesting, so this was effective when you were a child and you only listened and never did anything your parents told you not to? Sounds like if that was effective it might be your personality, but most people aren't like that. The vast majority of kids will require borderline abuse to force them to do things on a regular they don't want to. If they are forced, it tends to breed rebellion behind their parents back…

> If they are forced, it tends to breed rebellion behind their parents back (there's a reason that the stereotype of the naughty "preachers kid" exists). That's part of parenting - i.e not being agreeable, correct?

This is the truth. You are a parent, not a friend. Yes, there will be attempts at circumvention, these will be detected and punished.

Modern parenting is not science, it is woke b.s. and has led to young people today with multiple psychological illnesses, apathy and the Peter Pan syndrome.

Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health

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A lot of people on this story are making the usual snarky remarks that, oh, this is just a slap on the wrist—some trivial proportion of Meta’s global revenue. And that is true, but unlike the EU, for example, New Mexico is a tiny jurisdiction. It only has a little bit more than 2 million people. So actually, a fine—or a judgment—of $942 million that applies just to New Mexico is enormous. If you look at Meta’s revenu…

This analysis actually understates how massive and outsized the penalties are. The court ruling only applies to children in New Mexico under age 18. New Mexico has ~450,000 people under age 18, of which roughly 140,000 are between ages 13-17 (Meta officially requires age 13+ to use their platforms). Recent Pew surveys of U.S. teens ages 13–17 show ~70% of teenagers use Instagram and ~30% use Facebook. In New Mexico,…

But isn't a fine meant to hurt? I mean, isn't this the reason we have those X% of Y fines? So it seems less relevant how many people were harmed than who harmed them.

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Sometimes I wonder if these comments are about lamenting the state of big corporations, about defending big corporations, [1] or about lamenting how fungible value exchange were even the Rule of Law can be reduced to an expense makes everyone except for conentrated wealth into losers. [1] “They won this battle and the last one. But the other side has millions of soldiers. They will just replace them.”

>about defending big corporations It is not personal opinion, but rather a fact of doing international large business. Sometimes doing "something" means the political posture of appearing to do "anything popular" with the naive, and achieving nothing but the status quo within a year. If our legal systems were serious... they would have split up the company, and Chapter 7 divisions that failed to fix problems the judg…

I know. My opinions are facts too.

Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health

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>about defending big corporations It is not personal opinion, but rather a fact of doing international large business. Sometimes doing "something" means the political posture of appearing to do "anything popular" with the naive, and achieving nothing but the status quo within a year. If our legal systems were serious... they would have split up the company, and Chapter 7 divisions that failed to fix problems the judg…

I know. My opinions are facts too.

Comedic, now watch META's ticker symbol remain boring over the next 2 years. =3

Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health

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The inverse incentive is what's in place today: a platform actively harming the users who signed up for it, in pursuit of ad dollars. The incentive is to extract maximum revenue while disregarding the real-world effects of actions, including driving children to self-harm or mental illness. That's bizarre. But I know for some people, it doesn't seem bizarre, and just seems like "capitalism."

The platform isn't actively harming. It's actively driving them to content they engage with. What they're choosing to engage with is harmful. The fact their parents let them on the platform is the crazy part, but the state already extracts vast amounts of money from them.

I just saw an ad for Instagram's teen features, aimed at parents. You can't advertise for your product and then say that people are using it of their own volition. We are right back to the 90s and Big Tobacco.

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>>"Would a billion dollar fine for speeding change some behaviors? Yes. Is it completely out of proportion? Also yes." Maybe not the best example, since Finland does asses speeding fines based on income. So a 1bn fine would be appropriate if someone was ludicrously wealthy, although I'm not sure there's anyone rich enough on the planet to hit that mark. But for example, this guy [0] got a €54,000 speeding ticket in 2…

Can't remember where I saw it but some years back someone wrote something like "if the punishment for a crime is financial then it only deters poor people" which makes sense.

In the past, it has been humorously and falsely attributed to a Final Fantasy game.

Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health

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Even a few tens of billions in fines doesn't come close to putting Meta into insolvency. The histrionics are entirely uncalled for. A billion dollar fine is entirely unnecessary to dissuade a typical driver from speeding. The fine needs to be enough to change the behavior, not 500,000,000% that amount. Meta is worth $1.5T while most of us getting tickets are worth less than $200K. Meta brings in $200B/yr. Taking 10%…

My point is that saying “there is no unreasonable fine if it works” is naive absolutism. Even with proportional fines, does fining someone 99% of their income count as too high? If proportionality is irrelevant than there is no way to differentiate which crimes deserve what punishments.

It depends. Does fining someone 99% of their income make it impossible for them to live with basic dignity? There are many, many people for which it wouldn't, especially if you limit to W2 income (as so many income-based tests do).

I've long been of the opinion that the focus on "how much is being taken" is wrongheaded, and pushed primarily to advantage elites. What about, "how much are you left with?" Now, suddenly, it's in their best interests for the popular understanding of "enough to live on" to be quite high.

If we're talking perverse incentives, we are currently living in a regime worse than many of the alternatives.

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