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Re: Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science

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Post by sweezyjeezy »

energy123 wrote: post #452
neta1337 wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? His predictions were accurate so far

No they were not. These were his 5 predictions in 2022: """ 1. By 2029, AI will still be unable to watch a movie and accurately explain the characters, events, conflicts, and motivations. 2. By 2029, AI will still be unable to read a novel and reliably answer questions about its plot, characters, conflicts, and motivations beyond what is stated literally. 3. By 2029, AI will still be unable to work as a competent coo…

Well I don't typically side with GM, but playing devil's advocate:

1. still not wrong? Unless it's just feeding the audio or screenplay I don't think you can feed AI a full movie in a single context window yet?

2. Not sure, but can you prove this wrong? Can you feed a full, unseen new book and get that kind of answer?

3. Not wrong.

4. I think he'd probably pull you up on 'bug free' - I don't think that frontier models can reliably write 10k LOC without _any_ bugs typically (not that humans can do this either).

Re: Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science

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Post by bubblemoth »

Chance-Device wrote: post #404
c7b wrote: post #372

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And what does taking it seriously entail?

In the near term handling the transition. Jobs will be lost, careers ended, people won’t be able to reskill quickly enough. At the same time AI is an enormous opportunity to uplift living standards, but nobody has the logistics of this figured out. We need to figure out how to restructure the global economy. How does UBI work internationally, if the AI companies are taking revenue in the US? What’s the tax base for i…

What pressure is there to push for any of these changes? I see AI advocates discussing the concept of UBI, but I can't imagine a world where the United States would ever pass this sort of legislation. I mean, congress can barely pass a budget each year.

If you are correct, I expect corporations to reap massive profits while most Americans try to find a way to survive in a world where they are obsolete.

Re: Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science

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Post by hansmayer »

Chance-Device wrote: post #404
c7b wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what does taking it seriously entail?

In the near term handling the transition. Jobs will be lost, careers ended, people won’t be able to reskill quickly enough. At the same time AI is an enormous opportunity to uplift living standards, but nobody has the logistics of this figured out. We need to figure out how to restructure the global economy. How does UBI work internationally, if the AI companies are taking revenue in the US? What’s the tax base for i…

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Re: Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science

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Post by efavdb »

overgard wrote: post #455
Chance-Device wrote: post #105

Pretty cool. The impact of AI is getting undeniable, there aren’t many positions left to move the goalposts to at this stage, next they’ll have to be outside the stadium entirely. The sooner people can be broken out of their denial about all this the better, and we can start actually taking it seriously.

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/openais-amazing-but-vastly... https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/two-critical-updates-re-as... As always, PR hype. Goalposts have not moved. Guys, please use critical thinking. The haters don't hate by default, we hate because we're gaslit about this stuff every day and it's annoying. Extraordinary claims require proof, and they're not giving us information that would be essential to…

best point in that first link: openai doesn't tell us if they only tried to solve these 10 and each was solved (amazing) or if they asked it to solve a million problems and it got these 10. Either is great, one is more so.

Re: Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science

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Post by dash2 »

amazingamazing wrote: post #137

Can’t wait for this stuff to have quality of life increases for the average person. So far all I see is that AI has made owning a computer more expensive, made some jobs redundant, increased spam and distrust with questionable authenticity of content and of course made some Americans very rich.

If it doesn't help average people, why do millions of them pay for it?

Re: Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science

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Post by Trasmatta »

overgard wrote: post #455
Chance-Device wrote: post #105

Pretty cool. The impact of AI is getting undeniable, there aren’t many positions left to move the goalposts to at this stage, next they’ll have to be outside the stadium entirely. The sooner people can be broken out of their denial about all this the better, and we can start actually taking it seriously.

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/openais-amazing-but-vastly... https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/two-critical-updates-re-as... As always, PR hype. Goalposts have not moved. Guys, please use critical thinking. The haters don't hate by default, we hate because we're gaslit about this stuff every day and it's annoying. Extraordinary claims require proof, and they're not giving us information that would be essential to…

Society at large is getting worse at critical thinking, because we are increasingly offloading that thinking to AI

Re: Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science

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Post by galleywest200 »

evenhash wrote: post #429
amazingamazing wrote: post #137

Can’t wait for this stuff to have quality of life increases for the average person. So far all I see is that AI has made owning a computer more expensive, made some jobs redundant, increased spam and distrust with questionable authenticity of content and of course made some Americans very rich.

Not everyone works for Evil Corp. I work in the public sector and my work supports public health and safety initiatives. AI has allowed my team to get much more done than we would have otherwise which improves the quality of life of the people in my community. So I would like to counter your cynicism with a “YMMV” depending on who you work for.

Examples?

Re: Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

dash2 wrote: post #453
muchmirulys wrote: post #365

problem number 1 and 9 are surprisingly very intuitive check here : 1. high dimensional sphere packing https://muchmirul.github.io/conjectures/sphere-packing/ 2. multicolor ramsey number https://muchmirul.github.io/conjectures/multicolor-ramsey

The first link is very sloppy and doesn't actually explain why the "certificate" proves anything about the sphere packing. Or if it did, I couldn't understand it.

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Re: Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science

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Post by afro88 »

overgard wrote: post #455
Chance-Device wrote: post #105

Pretty cool. The impact of AI is getting undeniable, there aren’t many positions left to move the goalposts to at this stage, next they’ll have to be outside the stadium entirely. The sooner people can be broken out of their denial about all this the better, and we can start actually taking it seriously.

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/openais-amazing-but-vastly... https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/two-critical-updates-re-as... As always, PR hype. Goalposts have not moved. Guys, please use critical thinking. The haters don't hate by default, we hate because we're gaslit about this stuff every day and it's annoying. Extraordinary claims require proof, and they're not giving us information that would be essential to…

Gary doesn't argue it's hype though. He argues 2 things: other people are getting carried away with the result, and we don't know enough about how it was reached to know where it falls on the impressive scale.

He literally says it's an impressive feat in the second article.

Re: Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science

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Post by f6v »

danparsonson wrote: post #192
Chance-Device wrote: post #105

Pretty cool. The impact of AI is getting undeniable, there aren’t many positions left to move the goalposts to at this stage, next they’ll have to be outside the stadium entirely. The sooner people can be broken out of their denial about all this the better, and we can start actually taking it seriously.

Never understood all this talk about moving goalposts - you understand that's how science works, right? We improve, we learn, we recalibrate our expectations based on what we've learned. If we never "moved the goalposts", we'd be stuck scoring the same goals over and over.

> Never understood all this talk about moving goalposts - you understand that's how science works, right?

I agree with the parent that we need to acknowledge that we're at a turning point in history. I lived through some of them (internet, ubiquitous personal computing). But it's somewhat difficult to comprehend the impact of this one for many people.

I do biomedical research at one of the top European research institutions. We're very well-funded, but I can clearly see the gap between us (say, top-100) and top-10. I also realize this gap is going to get so much wider unless we invest heavily in AI access (and I'm not so sure I can sell anything more expensive than $20 Claude subscription to the leadership).

I think people having 6-7 figure SOTA AI budgets will move exponentially faster than those who don't. That makes me worried.

So, for me, it's not a question of recalibrating expectations. We're way past that.

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