We desperately need a Let Me Google That For You-style saying to appropriately shame people who do this.
Don't be a meat proxy
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#462Actually I'm not sure why more people aren't reading and reposting outputs to save people tokens on generating more outputs (I gather that this article is more objecting to the reposting-without-reading)
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#463I think meat proxies are solved by ARs which is the new PR, we built a tongue-in-cheek attentionrequest.com site about it, but the general concept has been working for our team -- asking people to write questions before they send an agent-generated doc, to serve as a proxy for having read / thought about it.
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#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
With the recent wave of posts about Claude rewriting entire codebases from Zig/Electron to Rust/Swift, I can't help but question the prompter's actual confidence in the final result. Gaining a thorough understanding of the generated output still demands an enormous amount of effort. I suspect the reality is that most people just chain a few review agents together, and if they output "LGTM", the code gets committed an…
> The foundational knowledge is lost, meaning that even if we do look at the code, we won't understand it anyway. but this is similar to a lot of other technical fields that have width and depth. People would not understand assembly any more and blindly trust the output of the compiler. People now can only design a part of a CPU, and not the entirety. Chip manufacturing is so complicated that there's probably no sing…
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#465I will frequently post the output of a computer to slack as a part of an engineering discussion. For Claude output I'll treat it the same, wrap it in code blocks, and say something like "Claude's analysis". If its ok to post system logs, why is it less ok to post claude's output (also a computer), especially if I declare this? Is the difference that its plausibly human-level speech and thus breaks an implicit contract?
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#466I love the word "meat proxy" :)
For me what matters most is whether the person understood the core of the thing they are forwarding. Usually a wall of text is contraindicative of that.
I want my team to be able to write the core idea on a whiteboard without any help before going ahead and sharing or implementing it.
Wrote it up here of when (instead of if) to use AI in any given context: https://assistedeverything.substack.com/p/ai-bowtie
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#467This conversation is important but mostly they highlight transactional and most visible examples.
I can tell you even at one higher level of abstraction, this is happening a lot --
A business analyst supposed to ask discovery questions.
A project manager supposed to list risks and assumptions and a timeline.
A consultant expected to outline a new proposed solution and the pros and cons and trade offs.
An architect supposee to present and defend a solution design -- and the change review board supposed to ask questions to validate it.
All of them are lobbing slop grenades at each other -- just packaged in normal / human-looking formats like excel and word and powerpoint and email -- but slop nevertheless with minimal to zero value add by the human, thanks to proliferation of copilot (among others).
We are hastening the rot.
This is productivity theater.
This is where some of the 10x engineer and AI taking jobs is happening I am afraid.
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#468A lot of people don't understand what using AI as an output multiplier means. They take it literally, resulting in multiplying busywork across the company.
Misguided HR / people Ops aggravate the situation, by using slack engagement as a productivity measure. Flagging people that are brief but relevant as slackers.
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#469Woodworkers often will have a preference for their favorite tool. Once they become comfortable with that tool they will sometimes prefer to use it for things it wasn't designed. For me it was the band saw. When I needed to split a board, bandsaw. When I needed to cut a curve, bandsaw. Cut a horse figure? bandsaw! I once saw a woodworking television show that seemed to do everything on the table saw. Rip, make frames…
> Right now it seems that's what people are doing with AI. […] This too shall pass. Except that it’s difficult to imagine an even more general tool that would replace AI in this role.
We don't necessarily need a more general tool for a lot of it to pass. We just need the bubble to pop so people can start looking at the tool more objectively and admit that it's not the right tool for every job.
Trying to use one tool for everything is often a sign of a new tool someone is infatuated with and wants an excuse to use, or are trying to understand everything it can do. Once the novelty wears off and flaws in various uses cases become more apparent, it can take on a more specialized role.
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#470// Claude said: [giant response verbatim] I am lucky that I work with great teams and so when someone says "this is how Claude (or Gemini) summaries the situation" it does mean "I read it and it's right-enough to be helpful, so I am passing it along without editing" Obviously for this to work you need (1) a team that's smart and mature enough to own the AI output it puts forward and (2) shared understanding that peop…
I agree. Also there's one specific context where I use this quite a bit, even if it's a bit passive aggressive...:
When someone is asking me about something that is a) their job and b) I have explained to them before. There are a few specific people that I have to do this to repeatedly because for some reason they don't want to do the thing their team owns. It's a high noise source at my work and this response is my new version of RTFM.