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EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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The point is, if the regulation works as intended, it consolidates USB-C as the standard and slows or blocks new types of ports from being designed and tested. If it doesn't, then it's useless. You can't have it both ways. Imagine a company that wants to design the next type of port. Normally, it would just do R&D and engineer the product, then put it on the market with that type of port. If the device only has that…

> it consolidates USB-C as the standard Yes > slows or blocks new types of ports from being designed and tested No > If the device only has that type of port, people must use it and provide feedback by choosing to keep buying the product (maybe they'll also make it explicit that they like the new port) When getting something out on the market, they woudn't take this risk and still have a commonly used port on the sid…

> When getting something out on the market, they woudn't take this risk and still have a commonly used port on the side. The consumers as well would prefer to not take the risk of buing a device forcing them to use a port no other device is using.

Like, people didn't buy Apple products before they were forced to use USB-C? So why did Apple not want to use USB-C if that caused them to lose money and sell fewer phones? Also, if this were true, once most devices support USB-C (like they already did before the regulation), the standard would be self-enforcing and require no additional regulation.

> I apologize, but I only skimmed the rest of your comment, because I believe it rests on a flawed premise in the first line.

EDIT: Your statements seem to be self-contradictory, so it's not even about facts. "We need a regulation because companies make and sell products with different ports" is in contradiction with "Companies wouldn't take the risk of not having a common port, and consumers won't take the risk to buy them".

Also, mine wasn't a premise. My claims are not statements that follow one from the previous, but a conjunction of negated statements laid out in chronological order. So all of them must be false or not relevant for you to be right.

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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>There's no boundaries to "ever closer union". Ok, but you haven't told me what exactly the end goal of that "ever closer union" is. Aren't we already fully unified? Nor have you disputed the vagueness of the "ever closer union" which is used to undemocratically bully countries in the union to do what unelected corrupt Brussels bureaucrats want them to do. >Key concept here is legal succession. Which is not set in st…

> Aren't we already fully unified? Clearly we are not fully unified. We still have 27 different budgets for example. We are still mostly borrowing as 27 different independent sovereigns for example. > Ok, but you haven't told me what exactly the end goal of that "ever closer union" is. That's what the legislative process of proposals, rejections and counter-proposals is all about figuring out what the end goal looks…

To think that we almost decided on a common army in 1959… EU integration has slowed down massively since then.

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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I am eagerly awaiting your grassroots campaign to define legislation that would tackle such uses, and also eagerly awaiting it backfiring because of malicious compliance.

Malicious compliance is a result of incompetent drafting. It's common because incompetent drafting is common, case in point GDPR. It's definitely possible to screw it up less than that -- there are many laws that nobody complains about. You pass a law prohibiting any entity from conditioning the use of their service on the user providing them with a phone number. Even services that actually use SMS or voice calls are…

> Malicious compliance is a result of incompetent drafting

Aha ok, so your judgement of an entire governmental apparatus, trying to influence and predict millions of people in hundreds of thousands of companies and across hundreds of industries, from the most sensitive to the most frivolous of activities, can be summarized in a one liner.

Don't you think these people got advice from people like you? Do you think you are smarter than whatever panel of experts was involved? Do you think maybe the panel of experts was confronted with some information that you do not have? Do you think maybe something you value was in conflict with something somebody else values?

I really cannot express how unlikely it is that you are right.

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