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Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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> “Microsoft listed 15 productivity features [including] richer Copilot integration…”

Dumb-@$$ Copilot in Outlook. The other day I needed to list all of the file attachments for a particular email. Copilot couldn’t do it. But it could suss my impatience.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

That's nothing. He have Surface Pro laptops, and of course it has Copilot built in. I tried to open an app by typing in a search. On versions without Copilot turned on, instantly finds the app. On a Surface Pro, takes a good 20-30 seconds for it even start the search. Complete rubbish. Not a single person in the organisation likes the new Outlook.

Load Everything and it'll instantly show you every file on your computer. Finding a file is instantaneous.

There's no reason finding an installed app should be anything slower than that

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Is anybody still using email in 2026? Everybody I know uses IM systems like Wechat, WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal.

> Everybody I know uses IM systems like Wechat, WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal.

Great, instead of having a single, standard and interoperable way to communicate (albeit with its defaults), now we need to have 5, 6, 7 different closed systems that can't speak with each other, most of which require a working smartphone in order to even have an "address". What a wonderful evolution...

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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> It has been polished and ready since at least 2019. Linux people said things like this in 2019 too. It's always "been improved a lot in the past few years" (not saying this statement can't be true.) At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up.

MS has inertia on its side, and its abusive marketing and lock-in strategies of the 90s. Remember when you couldn't buy a PC without Windows from most vendors? Meaning you were paying MS, even if you immediately uninstalled it? The long term outcome of that is that 90+% of industry still buys Windows PCs. And non-industry: once non-techie people are on an OS (Windows/MacOS), many don't move off it, though Apple's eco…

I just realized, when I got my HP laptop I've never even booted its default Windows install, but MS still got paid. I'd rather have that money to go HP so the laptop could be made better. Insane how they're getting paid for nothing, almost like a tax. HP could just have offered an OSless option, but no. A silly world we live in.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Unless your hardware is exotic (or actively anti-consumer), most devices are well supported. If you wouldn't mind, what issues did you have recently?

On the desktop that's true, but when I last used linux laptops (Debian, probably in 2021 or so), there were significant driver issues for the touchpad, touchscreen, buttons for brightness, and audio on every laptop I tried. I eventually gave up and bought a Macbook and installed Homebrew and Rectangle on it. I haven't thought about drivers or firmware updates for that device since I bought it. If I did own a desktop,…

Did you install the nonfree Debian ISO? Debian back then by default did not ship non-free drivers, meaning half your stuff won't work.

You should have used their special (released by them) nonfree ISO or Ubuntu and you would've been fine.

Your stuff is probably supported by official debian repos, just not ones that are enabled by default.

Try Linux sometime again! You won't regret it.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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And to think that the "old" Outlook's splash screen is there for a reason: it used to take a while to open before SSDs became commonplace! Windows in general used to be usable on HDDs; SSDs would blow everyone's pants off making everything open instantly. These days we have 20+ Gbps SSDs without the AHCI latency tax and they're no longer enough to open an e-mail. THAT'S how low the ball has been dropped.

If I were a trillionaire I'd buy Apple and Microsoft and force all their engineers to use spinning rust on everything. No SSDs would be allowed anywhere except in the "does going fast break it" test room. Anyone above VP would be required to have 5400 RPM rust.

Imagine that. There would be a company wide "max one reboot per year", planned well ahead (during vacation periods) since it would mean people can't work for days on end. Haha.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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post #12

And to think that the "old" Outlook's splash screen is there for a reason: it used to take a while to open before SSDs became commonplace! Windows in general used to be usable on HDDs; SSDs would blow everyone's pants off making everything open instantly. These days we have 20+ Gbps SSDs without the AHCI latency tax and they're no longer enough to open an e-mail. THAT'S how low the ball has been dropped.

It's not just Windows. It's everything Microsoft. What steams my clams is that I can press Reply in Outlook and be halfway through the first sentence of my message before the reply window even opens. (M4 Pro) Almost every time I use Outlook, I have to rewrite my first sentence because half of it was typed before Outlook was finished doing whatever it does in the background. This doesn't happen with other mail clients…

Not everything. VS code is still good. Odd, but true. Runs like a dream. I do use an old version though from a couple years ago, never bothered to update.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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post #121

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Lot's of enterprises are enabling whitelisting of apps launching using some sort of tooling - I think Microsoft provides one, and CrowdStrike etc. It's likely the delay involves a call to a backend application or even sometimes a web server. This would be on top of real-time scanning of every file before it's opened.

True ... my company recently started deploying endpoint protection like crowdstrike, beyondtrust, zscalet onto our macs and these have slowed my machine considerably. They somehow spike the CPU just when I am doing something important.

I cannot believe how ridiculously heavy this stuff is. On my corporate laptop with a modern i7 and 32GB RAM (running Windows plus Crowdstrike, Zscaler, and probably some other junk), it feels like I’m on a netbook. It’s awful.
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