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Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by juancn »

drnick1 wrote: post #131
juancn wrote: post #24

I ended up getting two (one for each of my daughters). The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. It really just works. They have used Windows and Linux before (my kids and wife, that is), but something is always not quite right and needs my involvement. These days gone 100% Mac, my interventions are usually initial setup and whenever…

Apple and the NSA must know a lot about you.

Like I care. I'm not that interesting.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by fooker »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #46
everdrive wrote: post #25

It's always surprising when companies don't understand that people what inexpensive, quality goods. The original Ford Maverick retailed for $19,995, Ford absolutely could not keep up with production. Ultimately, they raised prices both because they could and in order to reduce demand because they could not actually product enough units.

I would happily buy a laptop with medium specs but apple build quality. I don't know if the Neo's build quality is on par with their other laptops but if it is it's probably my next laptop.

There really is none.

There were, if I recall correctly, one or two generations of Dell XPS that came close but they started cheaping out on materials almost immediately after it.

The old-ish ThinkPads were great if you want a rugged laptop, but that's not really because of better build quality, there were just more material.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by fooker »

vablings wrote: post #149
varispeed wrote: post #52

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Poor quality comes from the fact we have outsourced manufacturing. Nobody knows how to make things properly. Here in the UK you won't even find competent sheet metal fabricator (except for military or when you have more money than sense, but then whatever you want to sell will be dead in the water because of unaffordability).

Considering that Apple laptops are made by Foxconn in China that firmly proves your argumentation false. People do know how to make things properly the problem is all those people are in China for a laundry list of reasons as long as my arms in a circle

At its peak, Apple accounted for 70% of Foxconn's business and there are plenty of Apple folks directly working with them.

It's an artifact of geopolitics that Apple and Foxconn and separate legal entities.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by thewebguyd »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #439
ksec wrote: post #434

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>Adobe flies on much cheaper Windows hardware in the side by side testing we've done. This is the first time I have ever heard Adobe files on Windows. There were a period of time between 2015 - 2020 that might have been the case. Especially due to poor Intel GPU acceleration on Mac. Since Apple Silicon, Adobe Apps on Mac has been constantly faster than Windows counterparts. With plenty of examples on Youtube and Redd…

These are new. The Macs are faster if you use regular Windows out of the box with all the bloat. But that's not what businesses do. Put any kind of security software on the Mac and remove the bloat from Windows (normal for enterprises), and the Windows machines are faster. You can blame the security software if you like, but you have to have it to carry insurance. And you have to have it to make a fair comparison any…

Which security software matters greatly. If its poorly optimized, and doesn't use Apple's framework it's going to perform terribly (SentinelOne is notorious for this) , and by default with smb on mac it will scan every single file modification over the network. If you're working with huge files over smb you have to disable packet signing, make sure the mac isn't writing and looking for .DS_Store, and make sure directory caching is turned on (its off by default).

Your experience is valid, I don't doubt that, but you can't just toss a mac into a windows optimized environment and expect it to work, you have to take that extra bit of time to do things differently.

Either way, sounds like you made the right choice then for your own org, but for the vast majority of companies introducing macs generally aren't a loss and tend to have a higher ROI.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by stodor89 »

fundad wrote: post #418
stodor89 wrote: post #394

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> People must want Windows or Linux so badly they will pay 25-30% for a thinkpad Yup, I got Thinkpad X9, the idea being "Air 15 but with Windows". It does the job. I still think Air 15 is better (and cheaper), but the software compatibility and not needing to switch platforms outweighs that.

I love my 15 Air (M2). I’m curious how the Air 15 is better in a way that may or may not be available as an upgrade in the X9 or some other option.

Better SoC, no spinning fans. Also the screen won't die after 2 years of light mode usage.

The remaining stuff... I'd say Lenovo has caught up for the most part.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by prmoustache »

infecto wrote: post #429
prmoustache wrote: post #403

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Many companies nowadays only provide the most basic office license with only web access to office apps for most of their employees. So for those that puts all OS at the same level. Having said that software lagging in versions/features doesn't mean users are less efficient using the older tool. Are todays office users more efficient in word and excel with the ribbon than they were using office97 a few decades ago? Ha…

Sure if you are a basic user it’s no issue. Basic being someone using 1% of the feature set. The moment you start developing any skills in office there is an actual difference in the product. Like I already said, MacOS did not have ribbon shortcuts until a few months ago. That’s simply insulting that such a core function for users would be missing.

The ribbon is a UI providing a way to access functions, not a core function in itself.

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Post by Danox »

nozzlegear wrote: post #38
juancn wrote: post #24

I ended up getting two (one for each of my daughters). The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. It really just works. They have used Windows and Linux before (my kids and wife, that is), but something is always not quite right and needs my involvement. These days gone 100% Mac, my interventions are usually initial setup and whenever…

> The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. Same here. Whenever a family member asks which kind of device they should buy, I just tell them to get the Apple device. They're going to come to me if they ever need help with it, and that happens an order of magnitude less with Apple stuff. Plus, I don't even know how to do anything in Wi…

That has been my experience too with family, and most people outside of tech circles don't even know about butterfly keyboards I never heard a peep during that time.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by philistine »

pryce wrote: post #320
philistine wrote: post #197

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You are so right, and I blame some of the thinking on this very website. People are adamant that they need to upgrade the RAM, change the storage, and replace the battery on their laptops. Adamant . All that means that you need a separate memory controller, a separate this and that. It adds up, and PC makers are forced to put in a fan. On its face, it doesn't sound stupid at all. The thinking that you need to be able…

> Because technology caught up with them..... a good CPU is good enough for a very long time This is an excellent point but surely it lampshades that the exact opposite case is true for RAM. How many of apple's laptops become unusable when we know they would be fine for years more with the single addition of increasing the ram? Aside from those ruined by physical damage, it feels to me that this is the way the majori…

You're right that more RAM would help when RAM is already low. But a good amount of RAM is good enough for a long time. But Apple solders its RAM directly on the chipset nowadays. Again, not because they're preventing you from upgrading; because that's the way they decided to achieve the performance they want without having to over-engineer their logic boards.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by Danox »

bombcar wrote: post #361
taude wrote: post #292

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How is the OS Free? It's part of what you pay for. I have a 11 year old PC -- running Cosmos now, and it's still faster than my hobbled M4 PRO with 48 GB, work mac with all it's corp spyware cruft on it. We should expect more than 7 years out of all our tech hardware. EDIT: I say this as a person who spent a couple weekends trying to get various forms of Linux running on a 2017 Macbook Pro, because it was stuck on VE…

In the bad (good?) old days Mac OS X cost money each upgrade.

Once every 2 years or so.
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