Oracle CEO told openly how this is how they will control us. They are not even embarrassed anymore
Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?
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Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?
#462Back to the internet's peer-to-peer roots. Many protocols besides the www The www became infested with so-called "tech" companies acting as intermediaries (middlemen) Lots of folks making money from surveillance ad system on the www. Oversized, unmanageable websites calling themselves "platforms" The www is an ad network. Not a great place for non-commercial activity Fortunately, the internet is more than the www. Th…
Don't worry. Your government is creating plenty of laws to make to blatantly expensive to run anything that can compete with them.
Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?
#463Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point is there are much better ways to enforce this - like just setting up proper parental controls on a device. Kids can’t buy their own phone. So parents can always enforce stuff at a hardware level if they set it up properly. It would be much better to just mandate that phones set up with a kid profile cannot access social media.
I've been battling with locking down my kid's devices for much of my life. I haven't found a parental control feature that works: we've tried several, but, generally, nothing survives the 'Hey, I'll just factory reset the device and start with a clean out-of-box-experience' bypass. Kids can figure this stuff out. Even when we thought that things were under control, kids can easily procure new devices. Many families d…
wish I had a good reply, and, distasteful as this comment might be. I'm open to giving a draconian response:
Fuck you and and fuck your unwillingness to parent your god-damned kids
Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?
#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least half of the people in this thread survived growing up with access to social without age verification. And I'm pretty sure we've all had an encounter with some creep in some random chat room too. We talked about these things at school and at home. Don't share things with people you don't know etc. Idk if it's illegal to tell kids what to do these days. But when I grew up, we were occasionally also told to get…
"we've all had an encounter with some creep in some random chat room to" My parents generation survived lead in gasoline and they never wore seatbelts or helmets. "I think I can do a better job than the government :)" Is exactly what their parents said about the government telling them they have to get their kids to wear seat belts and helmets. I don't think this argument works for two reasons: 1) It don't address th…
Yes and that chaos is called freedom
haven't yet realized that 'the all or nothing internet' is not really a choice, it's chaos.Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?
#465I've said this before and I'll say it again. Just like radio was the wild west back when it first started, the internet is so today and eventually it will be licensed and regulated in the same way.
Oh boy, that means I'll be a real pirate! I can't wait
Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?
#466Earlier quoted context omitted.
Age verification is fine, at least in theory. It’s the implementations that are bad. I sometimes wonder what HN would be like with age verification.
I doubt we have that many underage kids here.
I think you'd be surprised.
Also, imagine being able to filter posts by the age of the writer. I think it would be interesting to be able to compare the responses to a post by age.
Or to just filter everything by age, and view HN as anything from AI Hype Club to Graybeard's Tavern.
If nothing else, it would get rid of all the bots and AI nonsense.
Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?
#467It's absolutely a slippery slope - but most parents know how this is a very real thing as well. There's no controversy in having drugs, guns, alcohol, porn and other things 'behind the counter' - the intellectual debate over freedom of information is clouded by ideology. Definitely the 'slippery slope' debate is worth having, but that's way more relevant than the 'should 10-year-olds be able to do whatever' (aka all…
> There's no controversy in having drugs, guns, alcohol, porn and other things 'behind the counter' - the intellectual debate over freedom of information is clouded by ideology. The first three are physical things, not information. Porn can be debated, but the current age verification push is trying to impose blanket control on the entire information ecosystem. It's the digital equivalent of requiring ID to go anywhe…
> They're legally mandating you to give away your child's personal info
If you don’t want to use social media you don’t have to give away the info right?
Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?
#468Social media (et al) already know each user's age.
They could "protect the children" at will. They simply choose not to.
Why this kabuki?
"Yes, please, regulate us" while making any formal regulation moot?
Directing attention away from the bot plague?
Pushing age verification to protect their algorithmic hate machines?
Monkey motion to avoid talking about true privacy? (Specifically, all data encrypted *at rest* using translucent database strategies.)
Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?
#469None of this age verification is about children. The end of the free internet is the point .
What even is the free internet at this point? What are we losing? It’s all just television now.
https://www.derekthompson.org/p/why-everything-became-televi...
I feel like one of the problems with “conservatism” (I’m using the term loosely here) is it fights to preserve the status quo, even if the status quo is already a bizzare compromise. If we want to envision a better future great, but preserving what we currently have as the “free internet” is just sad.
Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?
#470Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is many parents will not do that. Do those children then deserve to be taken advantage of by social media corporations? Generally, things that are harmful and addictive such as alcohol, cigarettes and casinos require age verification. We dont just put the onus on parents because a child with bad or absent parents still deserves to be shielded from alcoholism at 12 years old.
Social Media companies taking advantage of people is a whole other conversation, and isn't just an issue with minors.
So are gambling and cigarettes. As a society we've decided a reasonable compromise is that you can get the freedom to harm yourself at a certain age where you're assumed to understand that you're harming yourself.