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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by samrus »

forest32 wrote: post #332
Erem wrote: post #263

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> Anthropic believes they are the only people who should control AI. I’ve seen this a few times in the thread. Can you or anyone provide a link that supports this claim?

This seems to be a rumor being coordinated by OpenAI. There's OpenAI employees spreading this rumor on Twitter with 0 evidence. Their entire evidence is "I keep hearing Anthropic wants to control AI". Their evidence is literal rumors. https://x.com/_aidan_clark_/status/2052089187659346047

Yeah. And this thread seems so astroturfed. I get the feeling openAI is trying this sort of propaganda campaign out now that theyre desperate

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Post by samrus »

bob1029 wrote: post #449
NiloCK wrote: post #403

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Notable and persistent and extraordinarily petty is their refusal to read AGENTS.md files, forcing the inclusion of their branding into the source of repos directly.

That is actually pretty wild to me. Do you have any sources regarding this? I see my GPT5.x harness seek out and read CLAUDE.md files all the time.

Like how safari and chrome have mozilla in ther userstring. History does rhyme doesnt it

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by busymom0 »

fakedang wrote: post #311
stymaar wrote: post #292

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> At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. There's only one Gabe. > None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money. It's worse than this. Billionaire entrepreneurs aren't funds manager, they don't just want money, they have a twisted sense of “being the good guy” driving humanity forward against its will.

Reminds me of Mike Prince in Billions. God that guy was insufferable, just like the rest of today's broligarchy.

I thought that show went downhill once Bobby Axelrod left but they did a good job with making Mike Prince a huge ahole.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by Kye »

thoughtpeddler wrote: post #372
gom_jabbar wrote: post #307

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Haven't heard about the universal subspace hypothesis yet, so I appreciate the digression.

Ya, super interesting research area the authors explored of basically trying to answer the question: "Is there a canonical/intrinsic way that concepts/representations/information are 'stored' in the universe/reality?". They tested that by performing "spectral analysis of over 1100 models - including 500 Mistral-7B LoRAs, 500 Vision Transformers, and 50 LLaMA-8B models ... by applying spectral decomposition techniques…

Maybe related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47322887

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by NewsaHackO »

bluebands wrote: post #275
jnovek wrote: post #253

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Having a lead in a new market even for a short time creates initial conditions that are in your favor. That’s why startups get all fired up over being first to market.

Sure, but OpenAI has caught up with such velocity (and frankly has the better models) such that it's kind of irrational to refuse it based on "vibes"

I know it is irrational vibes, but how the whole Department of Defense situation was handled will always make me partial to Anthropic. Unless there so huge shift, of course.

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Post by ethbr1 »

amazingamazing wrote: post #433
ethbr1 wrote: post #417

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Do you have a citation for that? Because the Anthropic's presentation of their position doesn't have a domestic or foreign caveat to autonomous weapons. It's a categorical no. https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war

> We support the use of AI for lawful foreign intelligence and counterintelligence missions. But using these systems for mass domestic surveillance is incompatible with democratic values. Your link

Yes. They draw that distinction on intelligence.

I was asking about autonomous weapons.

>> Both companies don't mind weaponization. The difference is whether it should only be domestic. Both are ok with foreigners being bombed.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by mountainriver »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #425
mountainriver wrote: post #215

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The idea that intelligence will be commoditized is completely counterintuitive. It comes from the belief that it can’t exceed our own. This is almost certainly not true at the limit. There will likely by many super intelligences like we see life in the wild

No, it comes from the idea that the intelligence each company offers at any time will be undistinguishable. Sure some models will temporarily pull ahead, but others will quickly catch up and the intelligence difference won’t matter enough too convince anyone to switch on its own.

That is an incredibly limited an shortsighted view of AI

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by krackers »

nullbio wrote: post #198
bigthymer wrote: post #164

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Why?

Why is Altman worse? Dario is constantly fearmongering to generate press, gaslighting, and contradicting himself. Mythos is the most recent example of that. It was never too powerful to release, that was a lie to generate publicity and fear, and an excuse because they didn't have the compute to serve it. People were finding the same bugs and exploits using GPT5.4, GPT5.5, and lesser models. Now all of a sudden, they…

>They're the least generous with open-source.

Yes I'm surprised most of the "anthropic stans" don't realize this.

It's not like OpenAI is a particular fan of open-source models either, but the way I see it to OpenAI it's a purely calculated pragmatic business decision. They won't release weights for any good models since it'd impact revenue, and they view other open models as competition. But otherwise they're not ideological about it. If there was some really good reason to, they would (and they have, gpt-oss probably as a fig leaf). Sure some of the characterizations of "sama" aren't particularly flattering, but at the same time I think the common thread that he views everything as "just ruthless business" is ultimately beneficial, since rational and pragmatic can be modeled and understood.

Anthropic's founding philosophy is built on the premise that only they should control AI because of its danger, only they can be the right stewards, and that open-source models are an existential risk. Oh and the fact that it's Chinese open-source models rather than western models that are "winning" must be keeping them up at night.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by Jcampuzano2 »

samrus wrote: post #458
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #289

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Anthropic literally already works with companies like Palantir and others weaponizing their AI. Those just aren't quite as well known by the general public. They have no values that align with humans prospering.

Source on this? Does anthropic work with them or do they simply use the normal product offering anthropic provides? Because the thing with the DoD was specific RnD for DoD purposes. If someone just uses normal claude to make killer robots, i dont think thats on anthropic, that on the legal and regulatory system to step in and stop that

It literally takes a 2 second Google search of just the two terms Palantir and anthropic to find sources for this and is fairly well known.

https://investors.palantir.com/news-details/2024/Anthropic-a...

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/12/karp-palantir-anthropic-clau...

https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-faces-challenge-...

Any company of Palantir size is not just gonna have people using personal subscriptions to use Claude on mission critical software or it's development.

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