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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by godelski »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #348
kakacik wrote: post #313

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Its not a rambling but sad fact of life, one of the failures of mankind so far. And we don't need to talk about some backwater 3rd world country (actually we do) - US has big issues allowing basic science to be taught to kids, because of some set of stories and anecdotes from various people gathered over centuries together about some potential events around one mason who started yet another sect 2k years ago, and the…

I just yesterday watched a scathing video about why the US has always had a major strain of anti-intellectualism, starting from the very first colonists: https://youtu.be/j9MubNsh3rs?si=wpG1YLDz_Y9cOECQ

Asimov wrote about it[0], and talked about it quite a bit.

So did Sagan. If you haven't watched Cosmos in awhile it might hit a little different these days, for multiple reasons (not all bad). The book is great too. Not to mention Sagan wrote "The Demon Haunted World".

There's a new form and an old form of this same thing happening today too. We have flat earthers, but other cults too. One of the common features of this cult of ignorance: having a little knowledge and thinking it is much more general. We all know those people who read a sentence or two and extrapolate. This happens all the time. Even in flat earthers. It's often seeking evidence to support the prior belief rather than updating that belief. Updating that belief can either strengthen the belief it weaken it. But if you're seeking truth you need you be willing to throw your beliefs out the window. Resistance to that is ego

[0] https://aphelis.net/cult-ignorance-isaac-asimov-1980/

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demon-Haunted_World

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by dyauspitr »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #334
dyauspitr wrote: post #281

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What did he do to deserve this, there’s no context?

the students were: > ... protesting recent staff layoffs, severe program cuts, a mounting structural deficit, and the administration's controversial push for generative AI adoption through corporate tech partnerships

Poor guy, running a school where AI can do the entirety of what you’re teaching very cheaply and infinitely. I also looked into it and those tech partnerships were set up with the view of placing these folks into jobs once out of college. The youth just have no concept of the real world.

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

justin66 wrote: post #455
LogicFailsMe wrote: post #449

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Now why'd you'd have to ejaculate that into the conversation? Anyway, Minsky, perceptrons, great debunking of AI hype at the time, but a horrible person, ya know, just like Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov. https://www.christopherkremmer.com/post/to-sir-with-love https://web.archive.org/web/20240519113411/https://skepchick... Anyway, they're all dead. Can we move on? Although I remain astonished that Foundation got…

I believe the remains of Asimov's literary legacy are probably managed by his daughter along with an agent. Presumably most of the money goes to her too, but I have no idea. In any case she always seemed nice enough.

So when Roman Polanski finally dies, all his works will be okay given they're managed by a non-offending descendant?

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Post by iAMkenough »

itsalwaysgood wrote: post #285
iAMkenough wrote: post #203

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The bigger race is education, which some countries are really falling behind on.

That is always going to be a personal race. You can get in the currents of education, but your success will always depend on your own paddling.

I don’t personally set education standards for today’s youth or budgets to invest in the country’s youth.

The United States is falling behind in both.

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

kakacik wrote: post #313
lokar wrote: post #303

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A bit off topic, but about commencement speeches... Marvin Minsky spoke at my graduation. It was around the time when it seemed like genetic therapies might solve all kinds of problems, and there was a big debate, moral objections, etc. Most of the talk was a rambling rant against religion holding us back from scientific improvements to life. It did not go over in the mostly christian crowd. I loved it.

Its not a rambling but sad fact of life, one of the failures of mankind so far. And we don't need to talk about some backwater 3rd world country (actually we do) - US has big issues allowing basic science to be taught to kids, because of some set of stories and anecdotes from various people gathered over centuries together about some potential events around one mason who started yet another sect 2k years ago, and the…

there is a specific, very modern strain of mostly anglosphere protestant christian religion that can hinder intellectual progress. When I say "very modern" I mean within the last 2-300 years. Most of intellectual history in post-Roman Europe is linked to religious institutions. countless philosophers, mathematicians and scientists were clergy or members of religious orders.

The conflict thesis is, at best, a reaction to this modernist milieu and at worst an ahistorical narrative cooked up by 19th century edgelords.

(inb4 "MUH GALLEY LEGO TRIAL!")

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Post by iAMkenough »

itsalwaysgood wrote: post #308
butlike wrote: post #304

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What do you win at the end of the race? I've never heard it concisely put. 'Dominance' is the word that comes to my mind, but I don't want to put words in your mouth and don't really know why that would inherently be a valuable trophy, so that's probably not what you were thinking of, right?

As always, influence for the future

Not if you don’t set your country’s children up for success.

Top of the line AI without educated, healthy, economically-stable children means no future for the country or our society.

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Post by dijit »

keybored wrote: post #454
dijit wrote: post #258

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Ethan Klein is a terrible example for your argument. He debated Hasan Piker for five hours a year ago and clarified, clearly, an anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian position on the record. You seem to have decided he's a Zionist anyway. You just proved my point. Defend any entity that harms children without accountability (Israeli government, Hamas) -- you've picked a side. That's not conviction. That's tribalism. And sure…

I just proved your point by disagreeing with you. Do you hear yourself? No he’s a Zionist judging by what his positions are; you can’t have so many Zionist opinions and then null and void them by saying “but I am not a Zionist”. > Defend any entity [...] The killed, starved [...] Thousands upon thousands of pro-Palestinian have enough on their minds just lamenting the untold numbers of innocent civilians that Israel…

Disagreeing with me doesn't prove the point. Deciding he's a Zionist based on what you think he believes, rather than what he's actually said on record, that proves it. Come back with receipts or don't bother.

And that's the thing isn't it: you're not actually against suffering, you're against suffering by the right people. Klein catches flak for being Jewish and insufficiently hostile, meanwhile the bar for the other side is apparently just... existing. That's not a principled position.

"Too busy grieving to talk about Hamas", that's exactly how some Israelis feel when they hide IDF soldiers from justice, and I condemn them for it too.

You've just described the problem and handed it to me as a defence. Pathetic.

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Post by pfannkuchen »

phainopepla2 wrote: post #442
pfannkuchen wrote: post #406

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The modern west is still very religious, they just switched to a new religion without a mascot. If you don’t believe me, explain to me how human rights, universal equality, democracy etc are based in science. You can’t, because they aren’t. Sorry for blaspheming. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them, by the way, it just means that it’s our religion to do them.

This is a strange definition of religion, to basically mean anything that isn't science. Are all aesthetics and ethics a matter of religion?

People believe it because they learn to believe it in childhood.

People who don’t believe it are bad.

If you even question it, people get angry and say you’re bad.

People support wars against other people solely on the basis of their disagreement with it.

People think we should spread it to other people.

Functionally, how is that different from religion?

Sure, I am using a different definition of religion because the normal definition focuses on the mascot, but I believe that is wrong and the presence or absence of a mascot is not the important part of religion. Believing things for reasons other than evidence or logic is the important part. Which doesn’t mean we need to stop doing it, to be clear, we should just be labeling it accurately to avoid becoming confused about what we are doing.

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Post by ericmay »

alsetmusic wrote: post #90

The man is hailed as a brilliant nerd in our circles. I didn't realize he's a great public speaker. He really read the room. The "McKenzie"-style lady and Schmidt from Google (who really seemed to resent the pushback and chided graduates), can go to hell. I'm happy that someone is telling the young people who are likely to suffer because of this tech that they matter. I can't imagine how much angst much exist after t…

> I can't imagine how much angst much exist after taking on debt to get an education and then this is the job market.

Right... which they aren't going to be helped by continuing to find external causes or external enemies which are keeping them down instead of focusing on what they can control and what they can do to make money or make careers.

It's nice and it feels good to say these things, but it's not going to get those same students a job or help them build the next startup. Of course those students matter, and they should feel as such, but if they take away the wrong lesson here than Mr. Wozniak is doing them a disservice. Populism is incredibly dangerous.

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Post by renticulous »

StilesCrisis wrote: post #122
alsetmusic wrote: post #90

The man is hailed as a brilliant nerd in our circles. I didn't realize he's a great public speaker. He really read the room. The "McKenzie"-style lady and Schmidt from Google (who really seemed to resent the pushback and chided graduates), can go to hell. I'm happy that someone is telling the young people who are likely to suffer because of this tech that they matter. I can't imagine how much angst much exist after t…

I saw him give a graduation speech over twenty years ago, and to be honest, he was not a great public speaker then--he rambled and lost the plot. But twenty years is a long time, so he may be amazing now! I love the quote.

Actual Intelligence eg "mitochondria is a Powerhouse of cell". Cached thoughts and facts.
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