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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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And insurers doing their due diligence and charging based on potential for liability would go a long way to mitigating abuses. Best solution would be to simply require licensing and conduct standards to be a police professional similar to that required for Registered Nurses.

Is privatising ethics enforcement like this a good idea?

That depends on what you think of existing liability insurance coverage, such as the one commonly sold to physicians.

The way I see it, if you are not granting immunity, and also creating the possibility of financial penalties, then you're creating an opportunity for arbitrage via pooling risk. I'm not horny for the "free market", but I think there have to be cogent reasons to ban such insurance, and I can't think of any.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Yeah that would never be weaponized with trumped-up charges against political opponents.

But the same thing could happen right now with the existing death penalty -- has that been a trend in American politics?

POTUS has been throwing around the "treason" label a lot this term, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he started pushing for executions of his political opponents or reporters he doesn't like.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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How can I have a civil right to life? I'm aware I have a civil right to things like voting, a jury trial (for certain charges), legal representation. Those are all things the civic institutions provide to me. Civic institutions don't provide me life.

The US Constitution is an amazing document, I suggest you read it if you are an American. It's pretty short and has a lot of stuff that is useful to know, even if you aren't a lawyer (I am not). Because I am not a lawyer, I didn't word it exactly correctly. The Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution says, in its entirety: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a prese…

Those are constitutional rights, by definition.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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post #390

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And insurers doing their due diligence and charging based on potential for liability would go a long way to mitigating abuses. Best solution would be to simply require licensing and conduct standards to be a police professional similar to that required for Registered Nurses.

Is privatising ethics enforcement like this a good idea?

less ethics and more accountability. But a public audit committee is more than welcome to join in as well.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Thank god 1st amendment works. But it should not get paid from taxpayer money, instea the offending officer ahould pay it

> Thank god 1st amendment works.

Yes, but it should never have even gotten to evaluating whether the speech was 1A protected. Even if it wasn't, it wasn't remotely illegal, threatening or anything. The content never needed a 1A exemption. The arrest was illegal for selective prosecution before we even get to 1A.

> the offending officer ahould pay it

There should definitely be consequences for such gross misconduct under color of authority but it's not just the arresting officer. The victim was in jail for over a month. That means, at minimum, in the first couple days a local prosecutor decided to charge this case AND a local judge didn't toss it out. One cop can be negligent, stupid or evil but those other people are also officers of the law with more training and higher pay. They are there to stop individual stupidity before it turns into systemic calamity - and they abjectly failed in their duty.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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I would say that goose phrase is also without much meaning. It's just a phrase. Like ok, you said a phrase? So what? Let's bring up the Iran war - you could say a few things about how it's wrong or something and I can just reply de oppresso liber . Ok? That's not a discussion, it's a drive-by, feel good zinger.

You claim that "de oppresso liber" doesn't mean anything? Seems to me that it's meaning was pretty clear. Actually in this context I'd say there are two distinct meanings, both the "Regime change" bullshit from the start of this war and boots on the ground for a US combat unit. Seems like a poor comeback to any "War is bad" rhetoric because in my experience all such rhetoric sort of builds in a just cause assumption…

That’s how the cookie crumbles

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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There is no law prohibiting a police department from requiring their officers to lie to you. It absolutely can be part of the job.

The claim was not that it can be part of the job. The claim was “A police officer's job is to lie to you.”

Police are trained to lie to you in the course of investigation so “they could choose not to do their job (by conducting an investigation)” doesn’t refute the notion that it’s their job to lie to you, it affirms it. It’s like saying “it’s not cops’ job to lie to you, some of them are dogs whose entire job is sniffing out cocaine with their extraordinary sense of smell”

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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In both cases the reason someone was persecuted was they offended someone in power. And the system eventually ruled in their favor. That is the similarity. If you view one of those cases as a bad result, then chances are you are biased. That said, if you downvote because you have looked into the cases enough to think that that similarity is not valid, and then you can articulate it (like the person I'm replying too d…

Name all the times Biden fired someone from his administration for failing to obtain a conviction of a political opponent, and I'll take this false equivalence seriously.

It proves nothing because Biden generally didn't fire anybody. Name all the times Biden fired ANYONE from his cabinet. Below the cabinet, compared to any other president, he just didn't fire people to any degree.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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It would be nice if someone ran against Sheriff Nick Weems using this case in their ads and speeches as an example of why Weems is unfit for the job and a liability for tax payers, but if someone did they'd have to be prepared to move away if they lost the election because otherwise they risk being retaliated against by someone who has already proven that they don't care about people's rights. It'd be better for law…

> but if someone did they'd have to be prepared to move away if they lost the election because otherwise they risk being retaliated against by someone who has already proven that they don't care about people's rights. This is the big problem. A cop friend once told me that even he will not report abuse because he, and his family will be targeted by his fellow officers. They will do everything to make your life hell i…

The real red pill is to accept that everything you just said also applies to teachers.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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> Police unions can ask for unreasonable things, but when they do our governments should be telling them to fuck off instead of rubber stamping whatever they ask for. the rub: police unions are highly political machines and heavily involved in electing rubber-stamp politicians. it's a quid-pro-quo relationship that we seem to have a very hard time breaking out of in the united states. re: police requiring unions: i h…

It falls on We the People to make sure our elected officials are working for us and not giving police unions whatever they want, but we will probably need election finance reforms to make it harder for the unions to influence the outcomes. Police departments have already been found to do things like force officers to work an unsafe number of hours, commit wage theft in the form of unpaid overtime, engage in harassing…

respectfully, i disagree. if they want labor representation they should not operate in service of the capital class.
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