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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by close04 »

weberer wrote: post #399
riccardomc wrote: post #365

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It is definitely also about public opinion and it is going to be translated into laws soon enough (i.e. governments mandate data sovereignty). Recent erratic policies are having a profound effect on perception of US companies. It has been brewing for a while. https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/02/27/is-overreliance-on-...

>it is going to be translated into laws soon enough (i.e. governments mandate data sovereignty) The laws are already there. That's my point.

There are no laws that force companies to store all (generic) data in Europe. If there were then the companies asking about migrations just now would already be in breach.

You’re probably thinking of PII (GDPR/EUDPR) and even there there are plenty of loopholes, creative interpretations, and “privacy shields”.

The push for sovereignty doesn’t just come from regulators, it comes from the companies themselves who lost trust in the US, and also from European providers who jumped on the opportunity to make a killing.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

kaon_2 wrote: post #279
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #68

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> this instills an enormous amount of trust So you are saying the reason that it is just perceived better? Even that's quite debatable as I worked in few European companies and has never faced any backlash for choosing US vendor. Biggest European tech companies like Mistral and Klarna use many US vendors like AWS.

Yes. It is both a little funny, and true. Often departments don't even want to start a software project if it is being perceived as "legal and IT are going to have all kinds of opinions on this". When we say everything runs in Europe, by European companies, it actually signals "there will be no problem with GDPR and data sensitivity, and your legal and IT departments won't complain, and the CEO will love it".

Those legal and IT departments of companies favours Microsoft and Amazon, as they are sure they won't get any issue with regulation, or if they do they are the ones who can have better legal representation than a small open source self hosted software.

There is just no reason to believe European companies are any better in data privacy. I signed up for Hetzner once and they asked for my passport. Any American company doing that would be bashed so hard here.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by [deleted] »

rcarr wrote: post #455
embedding-shape wrote: post #151

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> Definitely a change, because it is not something I can recall being important just a couple of years ago. I work as a consultant and freelancer across a bunch of companies, some American but mostly European ones. Last ~8 months or so, the sentiment about "Hosting our data in EU or even our own country" has drastically changed, I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before. The amount o…

How many in your estimation are moving to EU owned vs just EU hosted?

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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by intended »

rdiddly wrote: post #388
vga1 wrote: post #364

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Also Trump 2 proves without a doubt that at least half of the american voters are absolutely insane or incredibly stupid. For 1 there used to be some doubt. We in Europe are enjoying roughly 15-20% insane/stupid ratings at this point, which is not great but still a bit better.

This logic applies if you believe it was an honest and fair election.

Doesn’t matter does it? If it wasn’t free of fair it still means the Trump team is the dominant team in America.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by monokai_nl »

mosburger wrote: post #202

I wonder if the author considered moving payment processing to Adyen from Stripe? They're also EU-based and a bit more... well known? I liked integrating with them in the past.

I'm considering Adyen and Mollie, but presently lacking the time to properly investigate and redo my payment flows. It will happen at some point.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by actualwitch »

IAmFledge wrote: post #96

I started the process of this back in January and now, at least in terms of product hosting; fully migrated into European infrastructure ( https://bannermedia.ltd ). It didn't come without a bit of pain, but glad I've done it - and to come with this I've ended up building a whole terraform setup for cross provider / cross region high availability within Europe. So far my key mappings included: - Cloudflare -> Bunny C…

Solid list! To expand upon it, Let's Encrypt -> ZeroSSL.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by NicoJuicy »

rcarr wrote: post #455
embedding-shape wrote: post #151

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> Definitely a change, because it is not something I can recall being important just a couple of years ago. I work as a consultant and freelancer across a bunch of companies, some American but mostly European ones. Last ~8 months or so, the sentiment about "Hosting our data in EU or even our own country" has drastically changed, I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before. The amount o…

How many in your estimation are moving to EU owned vs just EU hosted?

If you want to sell in Europe now or in the future to any governement ( city, provence, country, ... ).

It means EU sovereign cloud. That's literally the primary concern.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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there is also some janky, cheap feeling lenis-type of scrolling hijacking in place that gets disabled when the viewport is about the size of a phone.

tried to disable it by turning off javascript and the page no longer loads - thus i am completely uninterested in reading this article

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by joe_mamba »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #378
joe_mamba wrote: post #155

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Not just ASML, when I working in EU at another major Dutch semiconductor company, the leadership and decision making was mostly US-based and centered around US policies, even if the HQ was still technically in the NL, but because PE and most other major investors were all US Bay Area. For example my manager had to reject a candidate from Iran, simply due to US policies, even if that wasn't against the EU policies, an…

> when I working in EU at another major Dutch semiconductor company Ok, come on, please stop playing this silly HN game of: "another major ... company". There can only be four other options: NXP, SMM, BE Semi, Nexperia. Or a bit deeper: SMART Photonics, EFFECT Photonics, Nearfield, Prodrive Tech, Neways Elec. Which one? > As long as the EU investors refuse to invest in domestic companies and their future, EU companie…

>Ok, come on, please stop playing this silly HN game of: "another major ... company".

It's not a "silly HN game" to not want to doxx yourself. Ironic criticism from someone whose username is 'throwaway2037' lol.

>Which one?

Exactly THAT ONE you mentioned above.

>Let me respond in the most offensive manner possible: Do you prefer the teat of US or China (or Russia!)? Pick your poison.

You can't talk about being sovereign if your life depends on someone else's teat.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by jeffrallen »

rixed wrote: post #415

Meanwhile, all european companies, tech or not, big and small, are preparing to make all their business depends on Anthropic or OpenAI...

European companies might prefer hosting open models on Exoscale's dedicated inference platform.

(I work on ops for that product.)

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