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Post by dryarzeg »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #446
dryarzeg wrote: post #121

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>>Almost seven in ten (69%) support age verification checks on platforms that may host content related to suicide, self-harm, eating disorders, and pornography. >>eating disorders I'm genuinely sorry, but... wait, what? Okay, suicide, somewhat understandable (although some forums where people just share their feelings are endangered by this). Same applies to self-harm. Pornography - well, at least I can understand th…

Eating disorders are self-harm.

They are not. Eating disorders are, in fact, mental disorders. If you're defining eating disorders as self-harm, then depression and other similar issues are self-harm as well.

To clarify my point: I'm not saying that eating disorders don't harm one's body, but that's a mental health condition.

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dryarzeg wrote: post #461
Dylan16807 wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eating disorders are self-harm.

They are not. Eating disorders are, in fact, mental disorders. If you're defining eating disorders as self-harm, then depression and other similar issues are self-harm as well. To clarify my point: I'm not saying that eating disorders don't harm one's body, but that's a mental health condition.

Well what are we talking about with "content related to"?

If it's informational then that doesn't sound like something that needs an age check. If it's encouragement then the encouragement related to an eating disorder is generally encouraging the self-harm behaviors, not (just) encouraging the mental aspect. And a site encouraging depression, if that actually exists and works?, sounds like it goes with the rest of the list too.

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Post by mcv »

jesterson wrote: post #448
mcv wrote: post #444

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Portrayed? Have you seen the news at all in the past year? The US is descending into fascism really hard. Closing your eyes to it is not going to stop it.

If your worldview is based on news you are consuming, then I would like to avoid the discussion. No, I don’t see the US descending into fascism. Quite the opposite. But the EU unfortunately does, and that saddens me a lot.

If your world view is based on "alternative facts", then I agree discussion is pretty much pointless. If the US isn't descending into fascism, it's only because it's already arrived there.

I'm not denying that the EU also has rising fascism, but they're not in power the way they are in the US.

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by dryarzeg »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #462
dryarzeg wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not. Eating disorders are, in fact, mental disorders. If you're defining eating disorders as self-harm, then depression and other similar issues are self-harm as well. To clarify my point: I'm not saying that eating disorders don't harm one's body, but that's a mental health condition.

Well what are we talking about with "content related to"? If it's informational then that doesn't sound like something that needs an age check. If it's encouragement then the encouragement related to an eating disorder is generally encouraging the self-harm behaviors, not (just) encouraging the mental aspect. And a site encouraging depression, if that actually exists and works?, sounds like it goes with the rest of t…

> Well what are we talking about with "content related to"?

> If it's informational then that doesn't sound like something that needs an age check.

That is actually the main problem with all that. Because, as far as I know, some informational websites and forums were legally challenged (sorry if I'm expressing this in a wrong way) because they were hosting content "related to self-harm". Does informational content encourage self-harm behaviours, is it dangerous and should it be brought down? Well, I'm not a doctor and I can't really say, but... I hope you get my point.

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> And a site encouraging depression, if that actually exists and works?

There's a lot of such websites. They're called "news websites" (joke intended)

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dryarzeg wrote: post #464
Dylan16807 wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well what are we talking about with "content related to"? If it's informational then that doesn't sound like something that needs an age check. If it's encouragement then the encouragement related to an eating disorder is generally encouraging the self-harm behaviors, not (just) encouraging the mental aspect. And a site encouraging depression, if that actually exists and works?, sounds like it goes with the rest of t…

> Well what are we talking about with "content related to"? > If it's informational then that doesn't sound like something that needs an age check. That is actually the main problem with all that. Because, as far as I know, some informational websites and forums were legally challenged (sorry if I'm expressing this in a wrong way) because they were hosting content "related to self-harm". Does informational content en…

I know the whole concept is deeply flawed, I'm just saying that it makes sense to put eating disorders right next to some of the other ones.

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Post by comonoid »

Insimwytim wrote: post #458
comonoid wrote: post #358

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"If you are not in prison yet, it is not your merit, but our failure." -- attributed to Felix Dzerzhinsky. Upd: are they able to use VPN when the Internet is in so-called "white-list mode" where only certain websites are available?

> attributed to Felix Dzerzhinsky You can attribute it to George Washington or Louis XIV with the same level of verifiability/veracity.

English is not my native language, but I believe "attributed" does imply unverifiability. Otherwise other word is used.

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Post by praash »

joshstrange wrote: post #159
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #153

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This probably needs to be highlighted more. It isn't just governments. This is also quietly being backed by some big corporations with money .

> governments > big corporations with money Is there a notable difference between these two in most places? There _should_ be but in practice it feels like more and more places function closer to an oligarchy than whatever form of “democracy” they espouse to practice.

I'm scared that the influence of the largest companies exceeds governments of most nations.
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