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VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by tardedmeme »

OutOfHere wrote: post #132
amarant wrote: post #35

Microsoft is such a master class in how to make me hate you, quickly.

There is more of it that's going on. For me, Microsoft's SwiftKey keyboard app sabotages the use of a competing search engine (DuckDuckGo) in Firefox in Android for me. When typing a multi-word double-quoted search phrase, it doesn't allow it to be typed correctly.

DuckDuckGo is not a competitor to Bing. It is a sub-brand of Bing for the purpose of market segmentation. While Bing attracts users who install Windows and click on internet, DuckDuckGo attracts users who feel concerned about privacy. It's the same engine under the hood.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by JoRyGu »

nhinck2 wrote: post #400
dmitriv wrote: post #268

I am the person who approved this PR and would like to acknowledge and apologize for the mistake of turning this feature on by default without sufficient upfront validation. There was no ill intent by evil corporation, but rather a desire to support functionality that some customers expect of VS Code w.r.t. AI-generated code. As folks mentioned here - many similar tools do this as well. Obviously, it should not be on…

> a desire to support functionality that some customers expect of VS Code w.r.t. AI-generated code Literally who?

I could easily see companies, especially enterprise-level companies, expect code that was generated with AI to have some level of ownership attributed to that AI. Whether a simple "Co-Authored-by Copilot" byline on the commit is the right way to do that is another question though.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by tardedmeme »

lelanthran wrote: post #179
Dylan16807 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's actually co authored then you should be fine on copyright. And of course dumb messages that aren't true won't affect copyright.

> If it's actually co authored then you should be fine on copyright How so? All your outoutput is now legally partly owned by Microsoft?

No. Legal ownership doesn't depend on whether aislop edited your commit message.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by isityettime »

ozzymuppet wrote: post #418
drivers99 wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple’s gray on slightly-lighter-gray UI standards It's a tangential point, but I turned on System Settings -> Accessibility -> Display -> Increase Contrast (the on/off option, not Display Contrast) and now at least the windows are outlined sharply.

OMG this is wonderful! Thank you.

A lot of people who think of themselves as able-bodied never think to poke around in the Accessibility sections of their settings menus. But it turns out that accessibility options are for everyone; people should really think of and evaluate them as first class tools more often

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by neutrinobro »

heelix wrote: post #393
le-mark wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google will definitely lose. Llms supplants search. But not the old document search which they stopped doing long ago. Add in the fact that open weight models are 6-12 months behind frontier models means AI companies aren’t building a moat, they’re on a treadmill. And treadmills don’t justify the valuations OR the hype. AI companies are in trouble.

One of the double edge swords I see is devs/evangelists pushing agentic coding are playing the 'good enough' statement. If that is true and those asking for software can live with good enough AI code, the moment the free local models hit that level the party is over in the continual push to the premium tip of the spear models.

We might already be there. I've been running Qwen-3.6-27B with 8-bit quantization locally with llama.cpp (~100k context window), and to be honest for my use case, 40-50% of the time it is more usable than claude-code. I only have the $20/mo plan, so I often hit rate limits after 2-3 prompts. And while the local model is slower, it just keeps chugging, is practically free, and more often than not produces code similar to claude. I wouldn't be surprised if in 6-12 months we have local models which are comparable to opus 4.6...which I personally consider as a tipping point where agentic coding became practical.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by isityettime »

danlugo92 wrote: post #319
bitwize wrote: post #235

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Hackernews used to experience a collective paroxysm of joy every time a new Visual Studio Code dropped. There definitely was a pervasive belief that the Nadella era ushered in a cuddly new Microsoft.

I remember a time, way back, around 2010 maybe?, where Microsoft was referred to as "M$" in this place and generally perceived as an evil corporation o.O

Most likely more a difference of venue. I saw lots of that on Slashdot. Less of it on Digg or Reddit. Virtually none of it here, but it seems to be making a resurgence in the form of "Macroslop" and related epithets

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by tardedmeme »

cookiengineer wrote: post #147
Animats wrote: post #7

Does that make the code uncopyrightable? Non-human authorship?

The real question is why Anthropic was able to use DMCA takedown requests "in good faith" against the Claude leaks when their own CTO claimed it is a 100% slopcoded codebase, and they themselves argue that all LLM generated code is transformed enough to not be copyrightable. Which they have to state without being able to turn back because they violated millions of book and software licenses during training. Make it m…

You can lie.

You can get away with lying.

You can lie to judges.

You can get away with lying to judges.

You can profit from getting away with lying to judges.

A judge isn't involved, anyway. The leaker would have to take you to court and then prove that your request was in bad faith and that they didn't infringe copyright.

Competent programmers understand how to tell the computer what needs to happen. Really good programmers understand how the computer executed the code, and take advantage of it - they know about speculative execution and cache prefetching. Competent lawyers know what the law says. Really good lawyers understand how the law is executed, and take advantage of it - they know when it won't be enforced.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by isityettime »

rsynnott wrote: post #163
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #157

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> They invested billions. They're scared. They could have shipped a good product with all those billions they spent in reinventing Clippy. I have this feeling that their bet was that all the Microsoft shops will jump on Copilot without looking at alternatives, so they did not really have to make it as good as their competition.

Making good products simply no longer seems to be on the agenda for most of these companies.

Making good products was never Microsoft's MO. Even during the peak of the Nadella era, the good bits were side shows. Microsoft Office and Windows have always been things that succeed primarily via network effects/lock-in.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by LandoCalrissian »

dmitriv wrote: post #268

I am the person who approved this PR and would like to acknowledge and apologize for the mistake of turning this feature on by default without sufficient upfront validation. There was no ill intent by evil corporation, but rather a desire to support functionality that some customers expect of VS Code w.r.t. AI-generated code. As folks mentioned here - many similar tools do this as well. Obviously, it should not be on…

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