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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by dcow »

pngwen wrote: post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

I did this too, but it happened almost 10 years ago when Google started locking down Android in the name of battery life. I saw the writing on the walls and said if Android is going to be just like iOS because we collectively can’t have nice things, then at least I’ll live out that sad reality on better hardware.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by cubefox »

kube-system wrote: post #161
kodablah wrote: post #65

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> Saying there is no opt-out is just false I can't see where one can opt-out of this new behavior and into the existing behavior, only a description of the new behavior's bypass (which is not the same thing at all) > easy to bypass the cooling-off period with ADB I don't think this is a reasonable use of the term "easy". I should be able to give my non-technical friend an apk and they can use it right then, with the…

> . I should be able to give my non-technical friend an apk and they can use it right then Unfortunately that is the same vector that scammers use to drain people's bank accounts

If someone is dumb enough to ignore a very explicit warning message, that's their problem. We also don't restrict the sales of kitchen knives just because some people inevitably are going to be dumb enough to hurt themselves with a knife. If they hurt themselves that's their problem, not the problem of more intelligent people.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by moralestapia »

selectively wrote: post #420
moralestapia wrote: post #288

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>Scammers cannot talk people past a 24 hour wait. Oh yeah, I forgot they're bound to some code of rules they follow. Scammers, of all people.

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Please follow the site guidelines regarding (avoiding) personal attacks.

I can think of plenty of scams that take days in the making. Even the classic "redeem" ones have people hooked in the thing for like a week ...

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by compass_copium »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #414
compass_copium wrote: post #307

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I bought an 8a new when it launched for the express purpose of installing GOS. It cost like $450, and will last me most of a decade. If you are using a phone that costs significantly less than that (and I am speaking from personal experience! I had an Obamaphone that I got at a foodbank for many years, as well as a number of crappy used Androids!) your phone storage is so limiting that you are struggling to install m…

> If you are using a phone that costs significantly less than that (and I am speaking from personal experience! I had an Obamaphone that I got at a foodbank for many years, as well as a number of crappy used Androids!) your phone storage is so limiting that you are struggling to install more than a few apps. The only phone I've ever had trouble installing more than a few apps was one with 512MB of storage. If I go ch…

I have never had a cheap phone where OS updates did not make the category in storage swell to take up most of the phone's space.

Hardware may be cheap enough now that budget phones are more useable--32 GB for <$100 is a major improvement.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by pdonis »

blueg3 wrote: post #463
pdonis wrote: post #453

Is anyone considering a fork of Android that would not have this, um, "feature"?

This feature only exists for phones with Google Play Services, so yes.

Which is pretty much every Android phone. Again, is there any version of Android that doesn't have that service automatically installed and running?

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by seba_dos1 »

handedness wrote: post #450
fsflover wrote: post #400

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Except Librem 5 has been created and is usable by the HN people.

Does the Librem 5 not rely on any non-free code or infrastructure?

Depends where you draw the line. There is not a single non-free blob in the OS that runs there once the bootloader is up (unless you put some there by yourself, which you're of course free to do).

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by darepublic »

pngwen wrote: post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

iOS still more locked down than Google. When I started reading this I thought you were going true open source

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by tnelsond4 »

latexr wrote: post #321
rybosworld wrote: post #305

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While not equivalent to a true iOS app, PWA is a decent option that allows you to circumvent the app store restrictions. If you are trying to build apps primarily for yourself, it's a decent option.

Doesn’t that require you to host it and have it available on the open web, though? Is there a host that allows you to, for free, not only HTML/CSS/JS but also access to arbitrary tools and bespoke scripts on the backend?

I host my app on GitHub pages for free. But yes, it's just static which is really all you need with how powerful wasm and JavaScript are.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by cbsks »

manmal wrote: post #375
quantumleaper wrote: post #184

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With a free account, it needs to be reinstalled every 7 days because the signature expires. It's hardly convenient for personal use.

Most apps can be a PWA nowadays. A Hetzner VPS costs roughly the same as the Apple dev membership. Saying this as a native iOS dev since iOS 4. For your average pretty json printer you don’t need to go native.

Offline PWA sites are very limited on iOS. If you force close Safari, look at your phone funny, or don’t visit the site regularly, the cache is cleared and you are stuck at a loading screen until you have internet again.

That’s what forced me to finally bite the bullet and pay Apple yearly so I could develop an app for my friends and I to use. Would have much rather kept it as a PWA.

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