Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#462"these tools put an outsized strain on our systems" AKA when you fully use the capacity you paid for, that's too much!
You don't pay for capacity, you pay for an interface. Paying for capacity is what API keys are for. Similarly, on a home internet connection you might pay for a given size of pipe, but most residential ISPs don't allow running publicly accessible servers on your connection because you'll typically use way more of the bandwidth.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#463Earlier quoted context omitted.
They sell metered usage while having the implied expectation that most wont use it fully. Power users and users of stuff like OpenClaw don't match that idea. So they further restricted the metered caps, which were only offered to NOT be reached by that many. Simple as that.
>Power users and users of stuff like OpenClaw don't match that idea. Then they should figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates this type of usage not just blanket ban it
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#464There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…
It's one thing to pay $5 or $20 per month, which although it's a substantial difference, people pay that much for the convenience of having stuff ready and available - and it's a completely different thing to pay $200 per month. People don't pay that much for occasional usage and many/most people will organise themselves to use all or most of their weekly allowance when the expense is in that ballpark. If Anthropic m…
If you had to pay for APIs yourself for any provider then you'd know that SOTA tokens are not cheap, and Claude Code for $100 is almost a too good to be true bargain for what you can get out of it.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#465There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#466Earlier quoted context omitted.
This strikes me the same way the people in college who would print 497 empty pages at the end of the semester for the quota "they'd paid for" or that one guy who made lemonade at restaurants with the free lemon wedges and sugar packets. "Contempt for users" is silly. Adjusting terms to handle users who use things as not intended isn't contempt.
Contempt for users is not silly when the CEO of said company has repeatedly claimed they will replace SWEs "end-to-end" by next year. I'm not sure what to say. You're either listening to the actions of these companies, or you're not in a place where you feel the need to be concerned be their actions. I'm in a place where I'm concerned by their actions, and the impact that their claims and behavior have on the working…
Honest question from my end, I try to not read every AI related news that keeps telling me “it’s over, good luck feeding your family in 9-12 months”.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#467Earlier quoted context omitted.
> building products around claude -p But OpenClaw is not a product. It's just a pile of open source code that the user happens to choose to run. It's the user electing to use the functionality provided to them in the manner they want to. There's nothing fundamental to distinguish the user from running claude -p inside OpenClaw from them running it inside their own script. I've mostly defended Anthropic's position on…
Claude Code is not a platform and you’re not meant to be building on it. Netflix is also not a platform and you shouldn’t be running code (open source or not) to mass download Netflix movies either.
If yes, why do Anthropic provide this cli flag?
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#468Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a problem that already exists in power generation and delivery, and it's already been solved. Bills are sums of fixed terms and variable terms.
Custom payment schemes are late stage profit generation. It requires hoards of salespeople or an AI that can actually do math. It's just how hyperscaling works. You are not wrong, but in the wrong timeline.
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#469Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you can’t enforce everything at once, you go where the most acute problems are. I imagine when your MCP avenue of abuse catches on—like this other category of harnesses did—to such a scale as to become a problem impacting us folk trying to go about our business… when that’s where the problems shift, I imagine (and hope) Anthropic will crack down on that vector too. To keep the service usable for us ordinary meat…
>>when your MCP avenue of abuse catches on Thats an interesting way of phrasing it - so is there a way to use the quota that's not 'abuse'? MCP/claude code seems to be want they want you to use it - are loops or ralph abuse as well ?
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#470Earlier quoted context omitted.
You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…
> Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. No, there is a weekly limit as well. Maxing out a single 5h window uses ~10% of the weekly limit