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We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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Re: We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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> made it clear that anyone who has worked on these products should not be hired As in, even a dev, HR, etc person having worked for an online gambling company? I feel this may be a slippery slope..

Everything is a slippery slope to somewhere. That doesn't mean you can't draw lines.

ok, what's buying milk at a corner shop a slippery slope to?

Re: We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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This is a trite response that doesn't engage with what was originally stated. The double edged brilliance/danger of capitalism is that it constantly opens up and moves into new markets. This is good, it means once the market determines a need, capital investment can accelerate production of the good that meets that need. But the flip side is it is coming for everything. Everything will be marketized and monetized and…

> we've seen concentrated wealth chip away at regulations for decades or even rip them apart overnight. There are more and more regulations every day. Oil refineries are being abandoned in California due to regulations so heavy there's no way for them to operate anymore. A friend of mine pulled his business out of California due to stifling regulations. > Everything will be marketized and monetized and accelerated an…

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Re: We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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> I prefer prediction markets to gambling because the platform isn't the bookmaker. Just because you prefer poker to slots, that doesn't suddenly mean that poker isn't gambling.

Slots have odds which change throughout the day and are usually (on average) pretty bad. In Poker, you play against other players, not the house. There is a rake which is very minor when compared against the average returns against other players. They are fundamentally different. In slots, you bet against the house, in poker you bet against other players. So slots are gambling in the traditional sense. Poker however…

I'm not trying to outlaw anything. I'm trying to make gambling addicts stop delusionally coping when it comes to "predictions markets" and just admit that they're gambling.

Re: We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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This is a trite response that doesn't engage with what was originally stated. The double edged brilliance/danger of capitalism is that it constantly opens up and moves into new markets. This is good, it means once the market determines a need, capital investment can accelerate production of the good that meets that need. But the flip side is it is coming for everything. Everything will be marketized and monetized and…

The problem isn't capitalism. That's just poor thinking from someone who has spent too much time thinking about political ideology. The problem is how we finance campaigns combined with gerrymandering. And if you want proof, look at corruption in communist and formerly communist countries. It makes the US look like a bunch of choir boys by contrast. Thinking that it is about capitalism is just an attempt to wedge in…

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Re: We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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Well, there are laws against insider trading.

Is shorting a company and then murdering its CEO considered insider trading in your jurisdiction?

That wouldn't be insider trading; in fact unless the CEO's death was known to insiders, it almost by definition couldn't be insider trading.

It could be other types of fraud, however.

Re: We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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> made it clear that anyone who has worked on these products should not be hired As in, even a dev, HR, etc person having worked for an online gambling company? I feel this may be a slippery slope..

Actions have consequences. You can justify your actions however you want, and I can judge you for them.

I'm not sure what this moralising adds to this conversation, I was talking about hiring practises.

Re: We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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The real power in prediction markets is creating a market for what you want to occur - it's a tangible method to leverage hyperstition. If you want Polymarket to no longer exist, then simply create a pool for "Polymarket will no longer exist by Jan 1st 2027" on Kalshi, pump the price, and wait for one of these whales to do the job of making it come true for you. When done right, you get the satisfaction of the thing…

So are you advocating for the idea that the wealthy should be able to control history then, by nature of having the largest amount of betting capital?

Don't the wealthy already "control history" by having the "largest amount of capital"?

Re: We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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The real power in prediction markets is creating a market for what you want to occur - it's a tangible method to leverage hyperstition. If you want Polymarket to no longer exist, then simply create a pool for "Polymarket will no longer exist by Jan 1st 2027" on Kalshi, pump the price, and wait for one of these whales to do the job of making it come true for you. When done right, you get the satisfaction of the thing…

How? Some guy wants Polymarket gone so he bets $1 billion that it will be gone. Since this is absurd, everybody bets against him and makes a tidy profit. Whatever this is you’re proposing it doesn’t work.

I think they're saying you bet $1 billion it will not be gone, and someone takes that bet and kills Polymarket (How?)

Re: We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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> made it clear that anyone who has worked on these products should not be hired As in, even a dev, HR, etc person having worked for an online gambling company? I feel this may be a slippery slope..

Prediction markets are far, far more slippery. Anyone working at one of these places had other options & chose to sell their morals so I think it's perfectly reasonable to not hire them.

Presumably you include anyone who worked at any FANG, or Chic-Fila, or Elon-attached corp etc etc?

Re: We haven't seen the worst of what gambling and prediction markets will do

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I got into weather betting markets earlier this year since I figured those can't possibly be rigged, it is automated weather station data yet some groups in the market know the truth a few minutes before everyone else based on the way the markets move. BUT, I stopped on the day that the PHL airport preliminary report said the low of the day was 17 and then later than day the low was raised to 18. The way the market w…

> said the low of the day was 17 People are gambling on the "low of the day?" Might as well make back alley chicken fighting legal.

There's a classic type of British bar-bet that is based on basically anything somewhat random. Wodehouse had lots of examples of it - betting on what hat the next lady to walk in would be wearing, things like that.

The key was they were local and person to person in person - not online.

You and I sitting at the bar get into an argument/bet about what the low today will be, and the bartender bookies the bet before he checks what the low actually was - that makes a certain amount of sense.

Putting it online and making it accessible over TCP/IP opens it up to all sorts of scams and manipulation.

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