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Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

jitl wrote: post #360
Grisu_FTP wrote: post #297

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Wouldnt it be possible to extract the files you need and sort of "repackage" it for linux? I have no idea how electron apps look "internally" but it doesnt sound too bad. Sort of like you can unzip .deb files and use them somewhere else, if what i heard was correct (never tried it myself)

If the Electron app is pure JS with no native extensions it can be doable. However, many Electron apps contain platform-specific js code, since features for stuff like Dock on Mac and Taskbar icons on Windows differ. Electron apps like Notion also contain native extensions - compiled C/C++/Objective-C code that are platform specific. For example in Notion, we use sqlite via better-sqlite3 (potentially replaceable sin…

I have seen many people porting such apps, like there is aur package for notion, figma

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by da_chicken »

Discordian93 wrote: post #257
da_chicken wrote: post #251

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Yeah, people forget that MS Office, and Excel and Outlook in particular, are the real foundation of Microsoft's vendor lock-in on the desktop.

Outlook is now basically an Electron app, they've deprecated the old desktop Outlook in favor of a port of the web app to desktop, so it's basically just Excel remaining.

Yeah, that's because Microsoft can see the writing on the wall. They don't want Windows to die, but they know the whole OS is at a point where it's probably inevitable that it will.

Developers don't want to use Windows anymore. They all want to run Linux because servers do. Ballmer was right about one thing: It was about the developers.

Microsoft can't compete with Chrome at the K-12 level. A Chromebook is a fraction of the cost at twice the runtime, so nobody is going to learn Windows growing up. There won't be a generation of new ready-trained Microsoft consumers every year.

And the average consumer? Oh, they're running an iPhone and maybe an iPad that's it. If Apple were really smart they'd have released an iPhone screencast dock, but Apple still thinks the iPhone doesn't need multiple user profiles. However, even with Apple's stupid behavior, they're losing their core consumer audience.

Steam is tired of Microsoft, too, so they're pushing for compatibility. Video games are either cross platform, console exclusive, or easy enough to emulate. If nVidia's graphics drivers weren't so proprietary, it wouldn't be nearly as difficult.

The big holdouts are the same people that kept COBOL a live programming language in the 21st century: The business office folks.

Microsoft has missed the boat on smartphones, tablets, budget laptops, smart TVs, video game consoles (which is a little surprising), server-side infrastructure, development, and now AI. Their market prospects right now are Millenials and older that don't want change, people who need exactly Excel or Outlook, and PC video gamers that aren't interested in change. Their best product is VS Code and it's free, their second best product (SQL Server) is pricing people out, and their third best product (.Net) is also free.

At this point I think they're mainly hoping Adobe doesn't jump ship.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by mietek »

danudey wrote: post #454
mietek wrote: post #415

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> ...an AI model will receive the applications, read them, auto-reply to irrelevant ones... You're probably breaking EU law by building this nightmare. https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/article/86/

All that law says is that the applicant 'shall have the right to obtain from the deployer clear and meaningful explanations of the role of the AI system in the decision-making procedure and the main elements of the decision taken.' And even then, only if a job application rejection 'produces legal effects or similarly significantly affects that person in a way that they consider to have an adverse impact on their hea…

If they're using a LLM to make those decisions, then they're fundamentally unable to provide the reasons for those decisions, because of how LLMs work.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by Aerroon »

pjmlp wrote: post #337
Aerroon wrote: post #59

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Windows 14 will just be a linux distro with wine acting as backwards compatibility.

Why would Microsoft ever do that? WSL is already there for the folks that want to play with Linux.

For a while it seemed like Microsoft wasn't taking Windows seriously as a product. And the easiest way to cut costs on that is to use a solution someone else is building and maintaining. They did retire Internet Explorer in favor of a Chromium browser, so it wouldn't be unprecedented.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by littlecranky67 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #427
littlecranky67 wrote: post #331

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Apple said they will keep Rosetta 2 for select usecases, such as gaming. They do have a user base that uses Steam and bought mac games - without rosetta that would mean the users could no longer play their game. And no one ports 5-10year old games.

Can one run a windows version of a game well over on say, a MBP? I ask because my current laptop is getting long in the tooth, and if I were just buying it for productivity stuff, the current MBPs are beasts , but last time I checked years ago, gaming on os x was in a sad state, even compared to linux.

Crossover works wonders. Currently playing Hogwarts Legacy from the Epic Store on my Macbook M4 Pro on 1080p in Medium with a PS5 controller

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by irishcoffee »

zerr wrote: post #353
irishcoffee wrote: post #46

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They don't. The "simplicity" of using a "high-level" framework for someone who bit-shifts for a living is almost comical.

Thruth to be told, Dunning–Kruger effect is common among those who "shift bits" :)

I’m completely convinced I’m a dogshit programmer. You’re probably right.

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Post by dabockster »

danudey wrote: post #456
bigfudge wrote: post #416

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This probably reflects my own prejudices, but it always struck me that MS based IT people wouldn’t work with anything else, basically because they couldn’t. That stack optimises for not really having to understand what you’re doing, but also avoiding any major foot guns (and having the general arse covering that buying IBM used to provide, but which MS now does). The price you pay is that everything is horrible to wo…

The Windows ecosystem does a lot of things that, to me, as a Linux/MacOS user, seem like a weird bunch of crazy decisions that are different just because. Whether that's true or not, it does mean that a lot of people who came up on Windows IT don't have a mental framework for how to run or manage Linux systems. Likewise, when I'm trying to diagnose something on Windows it just seems like the entire thing is a disaste…

> For example, when my Windows gaming machine comes out of hibernation my ethernet controller insists that there's no connection. I can't convince it otherwise except by disabling the device and re-enabling it. I can't figure out where I might find information that tells me why this is happening, so I just wrote a powershell script to turn it off and then on again. I bet some Windows IT dork could figure it out in 30 seconds

Windows and Linux dork here (heh). It has to do with how various computer manufacturers implemented the Sleep/Standby State (S3/S4), how they've resisted implementing a common standard at the hardware level, and how Microsoft eventually gave up arguing and patched around it with their own Modern Standby system in the S0 state.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...

Tbh, though, the only computer I've ever seen Hibernate work well on are Macs. Every x86 computer usually has some sort of issue with it, except for maybe business laptop models (eg HP's Elitebook line).

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Post by move-on-by »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #309

Steam devs if you are reading this: add a checkbox on your checkout screen that will allow me to donate 10% or a flat amount with each purchase, that will go directly to your upstream opensource dependencies like Wine & friends. I would add money to each purchase without blinking to support these people and I think the correct place for this is at the steam checkout screen, in the case for gamers.

It’s a nice idea, but why not donate directly?

https://www.winehq.org/donate

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Post by Dylan16807 »

rickdeckard wrote: post #451
colejohnson66 wrote: post #376

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Forwarded donations are not tax-deductible (in the US); That's a lie that's been spread around the internet. If you give a company money with the express purpose of them forwarding it to someone else (the company acts as a "collection agent"), it's not their income or donation. https://taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/who-gets-tax-benefit-thos...

Interesting, thanks for the details. So it would be actually financially _better_ for Valve to donate a portion of their revenue and state "we will donate x% of the price to yy", as THEN it would be tax-deductible for them

It's not better, because being revenue and donated away and tax-deductible all cancels out. It's as if they never saw the money, just like forwarding it.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by jitl »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #461
jitl wrote: post #360

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If the Electron app is pure JS with no native extensions it can be doable. However, many Electron apps contain platform-specific js code, since features for stuff like Dock on Mac and Taskbar icons on Windows differ. Electron apps like Notion also contain native extensions - compiled C/C++/Objective-C code that are platform specific. For example in Notion, we use sqlite via better-sqlite3 (potentially replaceable sin…

I have seen many people porting such apps, like there is aur package for notion, figma

It's cool that arch users give porting Notion a valiant effort. But as I predicted, custom native extensions will be [a problem](https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/notion-app-electron#comme...):

> Could it be possible to make the relatively new AI meeting notes feature to work?

> Right now I get the following error when I click the "start transcribing" button:

    Error occurred in handler for 'notion:get-media-access-status': TypeError: s.systemPreferences.getMediaAccessStatus is not a function
        at /usr/lib/notion-app/app.asar/.webpack/main/index.js:2:631015
        at WebContents. (node:electron/js2c/browser_init:2:87444)
        at WebContents.emit (node:events:524:28)
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