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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by sofixa »

raincole wrote: post #147
rafram wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The baseline level of freedom of speech in the EU, in particular, is much, much worse than in the US. We’re talking about a group of countries with active, enforced blasphemy laws! Completely unthinkable for Americans.

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FYI American exceptionalism is stuff like having, bar none, the worst school shooting rate in the world, and by far the highest murder rate in a developed country, and stating that what everyone else is doing wouldn't apply to the US. Or designing cities wrong and saying that everyone else doing better by any imaginable metric wouldn't apply to the US.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

generic92034 wrote: post #446
_osud wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany agreed to extradite Puigdemont, Spain did not want him. Perhaps because they wouldn't have been able to prosecute him for rebellion? Rebellion is not one of the EAW listed offenses, so it would require German approval. Same is not true for most crimes. Italy? I assume the prosecutor there told the Spanish there's no way the Rebellion will stick, and the Spanish told the Italians to just drop it. I assume they…

Sorry, but you should really read the links: "On 5 April 2018, the Oberlandesgericht (Higher State Court) in the German state of Schleswig-Holstein ruled that Puigdemont would not be extradited on charges of rebellion, and released him on bail while deliberating about the extradition on charges of misuse of public funds." So, exactly as I wrote: The rebellion charge did not make sense to the court, so no extradition…

>Sorry, but you should really read the links:

That's rather rude of you, I did in fact read the entire text of the link.

I hate citing wikipedia, but if you'll skip forward a few lines, you'll find this nugget:

"On 12 July 2018 the higher court in Schleswig-Holstein confirmed that Puigdemont could not be extradited by the crime of rebellion, but may still be extradited based on charges of misuse of public funds"

Puigdemont would have almost certainly ended up extradited, but he would enjoy the EAW protections which would presumably not be desirable for the Spanish government.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by input_sh »

_osud wrote: post #409
input_sh wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that football scenario mean that the rule of law doesn't exist or that it does exist and is being enforced? I agree with you that both of those laws are stupid, but that's a completely separate discussion to what I'm claiming above.

Depends on how you interpret the ECHR. Does it allow blocking half the internet during football games? It almost certainly does not: https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/fre#{%22itemid%22:[%22001-115705%... AFAIU this is common because lower courts often deliberately choose to not try to interpret ECHR, leaving that for appeals courts.

I interpret ECHR as what it is: not a regulatory body by any stretch of the imagination. It can recommend changes to the national law, but it cannot force any state to do so. You seem to be interpreting it as some sort of an equivalent to the US supreme court, which it is not.

But now we're straying even further from my original argument which boils down to "laws mean something" into arguing the intricacies of how laws are supposed to be changed. I'm not interested in having that discussion, as it has nothing to do with my original claim.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by PurpleRamen »

_osud wrote: post #437
PurpleRamen wrote: post #284

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As long as you stay away from questionable behaviour, there is very little chance to encounter the police in the EU or having problems with your privacy. USA is different in that regard. Your existence can be a problem. Or monetary interests will risk your privacy to whoever wants to make money with you. EU is not perfect, but saver than the USA in those matters (if you want to only invest a reasonable amount of effo…

EU is not a single uniform blob. There are neighbourhoods where you have to worry about being shot, and there are neighbourhoods where people leave their keys inside their cars. So, with the police? YMMV.

Obviously, but we are talking about online-activity here, not randomly walking the streets. The normal sketchy cop on the streets will not be accessing your mailbox just because they don't like your skin. Attending certain events would trigger this more likely, but then you should also know how to protect yourself in those cases.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by MPSimmons »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #107
dinowars wrote: post #88

> First, I tried mailbox.org, which I can generally recommend without reservation. Unfortunately, you can’t send emails from any address on your own domain without a workaround I use mailbox for a long time, one account for 2.50EUR/month with multiple custom domains and I can send emails from any address. To send from a different address the process didn't really seem different than other providers. From Thunderbird…

I also use mailbox.org and use my own domain for email. Not sure what issue the author ran into.

SPF or DKIM maybe?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by delusional »

bluebarbet wrote: post #434
kgwxd wrote: post #350

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Email? The rest of your life will be spent wondering if anyone got your message or if you've missed something important. Registrar, and search? Not possible. Maps? Paper would be more practical. Browser, done. Git, a lot of extra work for no gain.

>Maps? Paper would be more practical. On the contrary, maps are (IMO) one domain where FOSS is genuinely better. OpenStreetMap data is far more detailed than any corporate map, and the available clients (Osmand in particular) are far more powerful. You-know-who can only compete because of its (admittedly useful) data on businesses. And, alas, because of ignorance among normies, many of whom are still clueless that, f…

We weren't talking FOSS, we were talking self-hosted, and self-hosting OSM is ridiculous, especially if you want to do routing.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

input_sh wrote: post #463
_osud wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on how you interpret the ECHR. Does it allow blocking half the internet during football games? It almost certainly does not: https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/fre#{%22itemid%22:[%22001-115705%... AFAIU this is common because lower courts often deliberately choose to not try to interpret ECHR, leaving that for appeals courts.

I interpret ECHR as what it is: not a regulatory body by any stretch of the imagination. It can recommend changes to the national law, but it cannot force any state to do so. You seem to be interpreting it as some sort of an equivalent to the US supreme court, which it is not. But now we're straying even further from my original argument which boils down to "laws mean something" into arguing the intricacies of how la…

ECHR decisions are (supposed to be) legally binding. If they're not obeyed, that's not a good look for rule of law in Europe.

ECHR decisions are certainly not mere recommendations.

>It can recommend changes to the national law, but it cannot force any state to do so

ECHR can simply invalidate national law.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _the_inflator »

European here.

"Migrating to the EU" is serving a self-fulfilling delusion just as joining the so -called revolutionary forces after WW2 and moving to eastern Europe.

The EU does everything to de-industrialize itself and protect its ground by using surveillance tools branded as "child protection" rules.

Europeans don't have any tradition in thinking in freedom, in civil rights, in having a state that isn't there to spoil you, but grant basic service to allow you to shape your life the way you want it. Instead, Europeans hunger for "the state", thrive under more and more "protection rules" and supervision over the economy.

Anything and everything that requires financial and economic freedom is deemed suspicious and under the disguise of equality needs to be taxed into the ground.

Almost no one takes offense by the fact that the predominant topics in the EU center around perceived life-style threads all caused by one person thousands of miles away while wondering that the quality of life and public service going down the hill and every still existing local newspaper looks like an international outlet like New York Times: local topics don't exist. Anything and everything has to be linked to something that can be linked to "the fight against XYZ" not simply pragmatism or anything rational.

In Germany there is a former major party imploding in record time, having absolutely no representation anymore. And what these radicals do, is building a self-serving kraken, that checks off any and every checkmark of an totalitarian playbook.

And this shall be the basis for making my future depend an services having to exist within these given circumstances?

The genius thing about US constitution is the inherit limitation of terms. You see exactly the opposite in anything and everything in the EU and Germany. 14 or 16+ years of being in control means there was never any need to readjust.

I am more than happy and willing to move everything out of the EU.

Given the fact that europeans think, that a "Hosted in the EU" service is 100% European (whatever the term means) is some sort of discriminatory - something that is dealing with the double standard rampant in the EU.

BTW, I am still waiting for full autonomy: nothing from Github or any open source project that traces back to Github was used in this service.

European arrogance is so disgusting. Instead of simply changing the tune and accepting the fact, that different circumstances lead to different results, there is some sort of ego distorting the decision making process.

How much more evidence is needed, that the EU is lost compared to services done in the US? And you should look at the whole picture, instead of using your gut to draw conclusions.

I admire and acknowledge anything and everything that has been achieved in the US in regards to Computer Science.

I will never ever migrate to the EU. Never.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by colin_jack »

s_dev wrote: post #307
Aurornis wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US should it not turn this around in the midterms is finished as a liberal democracy. I wish there was an easy way for me to bet against the imminent fall of the United States as predicted by so many internet commenters. I don’t like what the current administration is doing, either, but I would readily bet against all of these “the end is just around the corner” or “the empire is dying” takes in a heartbeat.

I didn't say the US is finished, I said it was finished as a liberal democracy. It's already slid in to 'electoral democracy' instead of 'liberal democracy' the difference between the two is how 'rule of law' is prioritised and the balance between checks and balances between institutions is enforced. https://www.v-dem.net/documents/60/V-dem-dr__2025_lowres.pdf

Not quibbling but to be fair that report shows problems in Europe too, not the same speed of change, and its a different situation, but if you care about democracy its not great.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by Schlagbohrer »

BrunoBernardino wrote: post #106

For search, I'd suggest Ecosia [1] or Qwant [2] if you don't mind ads, or Uruky [3] if you don't want them (full disclosure, I've created Uruky with my wife). [1]: https://ecosia.org [2]: https://qwant.com [3]: https://uruky.com

For anyone who wants some eco-optimism, Ecosia has a youtube channel where they film their reforestation efforts.
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