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AI coding is gambling

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Re: AI coding is gambling

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post #420

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If you think this is anything like working with a bright junior developer then i simply can't understand why.

That's not what I think, and it's not what I said.

It's the exact interpretation you are inviting in your first comment. Don't paint the two as similar and then claim you're not doing that.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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post #234

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yeah i'm not gonna be an AI company's guinea pig just because the c-suite wants to sign me up. "the results" you mean AI-psychosis and dunning-kruger syndrome?

Like I said, devs don't like it. He said productivity went up 3-4x. "It works". There was no question of denying that as far as he was concerned. At the same time he was going to look for another job as it was just painful to work like that.

> He said productivity went up 3-4x

3-4x from what? There are companies out there that are so dysfunctional and over-managed that they can't code anything to begin with. I wouldn't be surprised if an LLM only solution helped them. I did a contract job that was a week of basic CRUD work for a company, and I was told it took them years to do as much as I did.

I have also seen CEOs do exactly as you're describing, only to find the 3-4x productivity improvement is actually 3-4x more lines of code. And more bugs. Unfortunately there are a lot C-suite people who would rather have captive users locked into a buggy app everyone hates that constantly acts like it's shipping helpful stuff than an app people want to use.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what I think, and it's not what I said.

It's the exact interpretation you are inviting in your first comment. Don't paint the two as similar and then claim you're not doing that.

I suggest learning not to interpret comments in bad faith.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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One potential solution to this is AI summarization. Imagine coming home, and while preparing dinner your AI assistant recounts what happened in all your favourite tv shows that day. Then while you're doing the laundry, it tells you about all the new games it found and tested for you. These are just thought starters, but something like this could significantly raise the ceiling on what one person is able to consume in…

Nah. These would be pseudo calories. Adults tend to forget that they gained their powers of reasoning by exercising them. Getting a summary, the way you described it, will be minus the effort required to think about it. This is great for information that you are already informed. This is related to the illusion of explanatory depth. Most of us “know” how something works, until we have to actually explain it. Like dra…

"AI" is just more evidence that we're headed straight towards the world of Idiocracy.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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post #201

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Well for one, programming actually sucks. Punching cards sucks. Copywriting sucks. Why? Well, implementation for the sake of implementation is nothing more than self-gratifying, and sole focus on it is an academic pursuit. The classic debate of which programming language is better is an argument of the best way to translate human ideas of logic into something that works . Sure programming is fun but I don't want to d…

> Well for one, programming actually sucks. Punching cards sucks. Copywriting sucks. There's a significant difference between past software advancements and this one. When we previously reduced the manual work when developing software it was empowering the language we were defining our logic within so that each statement from a developer covered more conceptual ground and fewer statements were required to solve our p…

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Re: AI coding is gambling

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This really blew up and I'm just now seeing it (The Author Vi Saint). I have a lot of replies to sift through, most of them here. Thank you to everyone who read my piece, even if you disagree or read too much into it.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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post #110

I think this article makes a valid point. However, if AI coding is considered gambling, then being a project manager overseeing multiple developers could also be seen as a form of gambling to a certain degree. In reality, there isn't much difference between the two. AI models are non-deterministic, and humans are also non-deterministic. You could assign the same task to two different developers and end up with entire…

Yes, but the gambling comes from the speed, the obsession, the lack of constraint, the credits spent, the just one more pull and maybe I’ll get what I want drive that captures you and keeps you going way past what you planned or should.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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post #97

Trying to decide whether to refinance now or not feels like gambling too. Yet it’s financially beneficial to make some bet. Defining “Gambling” like isn’t really helpful.

If I said I had a machine where I put in "tokens", watch it spin, and either get nothing or something valuable (with which I get being largely chance), you'd presume it's some kind of slot machine. The important things IMO are the random chance of getting something and being able to keep retrying so rapidly. You can't keep paying to play the "refinancing game" until you get a good rate (at least not like pulling the…

If the definition of slot machine is so vague that it includes LLMs then it’s not really meaningful.

If someone only ever paid $20 a month on slot machines AND typically came out ahead, that wouldn’t be any kind of gambling issue.

Playing real slot machines is only really a problem if you regularly put in too much because the odds are literally set against you. Not true with LLMs, both you and the AI company would become more successful the more helpful their tool is.

Re: AI coding is gambling

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post #430

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How is it not? You can trace the back commits to the first to show that it was started from scratch: https://repo.autonoma.ca/repo/treetrek/commits/c7742cb3c580d...

It's using a mature data model from an existing framework (git), and it's essentially a simpler clone of other similar projects. That's brownfield to me. Greenfield would develop a completely new system. This is a utility for an existing system, one whose design is clearly a copy of existing utilities. Both of those make this brownfield.

I'm building something from scratch, with no existing code base, and no requirement to integrate with or extend an existing implementation. The only constraint is Git's raw file format. Brownfield, to me, means constraints from existing software. It gets a little fuzzy, but no existing code base was used, no existing architectural constraints were imposed, and I was free to design the implementation from scratch; a greenfield implementation of a legacy protocol.
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