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A certain amount of politics should/must be tolerated on HN, because you cannot compartmentalize technology, politics and morality. No-one, not even people who say they like technology but do not care about politics, should be able to live their life wihtout knowing that we live in a world where six-year old blind children are murdered with automatic assault rifles. (For the same reason that no-one should be able to…
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I live in DE too, it's terrifying. I didn't realize the extent of the armaments shipped to Israel from Germany until recently. The Israeli navy ships were built in German shipyards and subsidized 30%...
I find this bewildering. Im not German. Im not Israeli. Yet I have known that Israel sails German subs (the best in the world) since.... the Greek financial crisis (the subs were part of the scandal) ? Certainly since the mid 2010s. Why is this?
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> nuke Gaza for good Some great empathy for innocent civilians you got there, monster.
Lets just say many Gazans didn't display any empathy for dead or almost dead civilians either that they dragged into the city and instead were filming themselves celebrating over corpses, and captured women bleeding from their r_pings as well as from the achilles-heel cuts applied. A technique highlighting how deep enslavement-culture run in this part of the world.
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— Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking at the World Holocaust Forum in 2020.
> "Hitler was not only a mass murderer, he was a master of deception. He deceived the world about his true intentions, and ultimately, his goal was to exterminate the Jewish people."
— Benjamin Netanyahu, during a speech at Yad Vashem in 2012.
> "For many, Auschwitz is the ultimate symbol of evil. It is certainly that. The tattooed arms of those who passed under its infamous gates, the piles of shoes and eyeglasses seized from the dispossessed in their final moments, the gas chambers and crematoria that turned millions of people into ash, all these bear witness to the horrific depths to which humanity can sink."
- Benjamin Netanyahu's speech at the 5th World Holocaust Forum in 2020
I hope every Hitler-apologist and Holocaust-denier says and believes things like that.
Compare that to al-Husseini, a key figure worth learning about. He was an Arab leader that stoked anti-Jewish sentiment with religious propaganda about Al-Aqsa Mosque (still going today perpetuated by Hamas), possibly to distract from his corrupt management of religious endowments. Al-Husseini led anti-British and anti-Jewish violence for years. He contributed to what is a key turning point or escalation of the conflict, the Hebron Massacre in 1929.
A rumor that Jews planned to take control of the Al-Aqsa Mosque resulted in a violent pogrom against a Jewish community with continuously presence for thousands of years. By the end the mob killed 67 Jews. The rioters attacked homes, horrifically tortured and killed entire families, mutilated, raped, stabbed children, and enacted mass destruction on the Jewish quarter. In many ways it was eerily similar to October 7th. I was shocked when I read about it.
There were some noble people that saved lives from the hundreds. One Arab man literally rode in on a white horse to protect some defenseless people.
What did al-Husseni say about the riot?
> "The massacre in Hebron was the result of a natural and justified reaction to the growing presence of Jews in Palestine. The Jews were responsible for the violence that broke out."
He blamed the victims.
> "Palestine is the land of the Arabs, and it will remain so. The Zionist movement is an illegal act and must be opposed by all means, including violence."
He advocated for violence.
> "The Jews have no place in Palestine and should leave."
al-Husseini had very close ties with Nazis. He broadcast Nazi propaganda over Arab radio from Berlin, urged Muslim and Arab populations to support Nazi efforts, and echoed their antisemitic ideology. He openly called for the destruction of Jewish communities in the Middle East. He helped recruit Muslim soldiers for the Waffen-SS, which is considered among the worst of the Nazi forces in terms of atrocities and war crimes.
And Abbas? An actual Holocaust denier and revisionist?
> "The Zionist movement cooperated with the Nazis in persecuting the Jews, and this is a well-known fact.”
— Mahmood Abbas, 1982 in his PhD thesis "The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism."
> "The number of Jews killed during the Holocaust is exaggerated."
— Mahmood Abbas, 2018
These are some examples of what Holocaust denial and revisionism typically sound like.
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> It’s very natural to want to return the same in kind They didn't return the same in kind. Compare the "stats" of Oct 7 vs what Israel did over the next 2 years. If you think that what happened on Oct 7 justified such a response, then you should shudder at the thought of what is justified in a merely proportional response to Israel's response. Proportionality being the foundation of justice and all that.
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There are horrific acts on both sides going back very very far. I grew up in a country with a relatively balanced media reporting on the issue and have tried my best to stay informed. Suicide bombings, bus hijackings, mass murders. The inequality in force applied has still been a constant. Also, the fact is that any peace deal has been made impossible by the hunting down and killing of anyone that could actually hold…
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It’s relevant because most commenters here hold moral standards that are completely self-undermining because they choose to not apply them to the “oppressed” group. Consider that it doesn’t matter how genocidal Israel’s Islamicist neighbors are. The IDF occassionally targets civilians when they shouldn’t. Meanwhile Israel’s neighbors don’t even draw the distinction.
Western governments don't fund their neighbors. They do fund Israel. You have to live up to the standards of the patron such as observing western rules of engagement, treatment of prisoners, and human rights in general.
Patrons don't necessarily apply any standard evenly.
For those wondering, it is verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe. The New York Times describes it as such: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him i…
"The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe." Funny way of saying trying to run someone over.
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Ben-Gurion famously preached coexistence publicly (sometimes) but his private messages and memoirs betray his true beliefs: 5 October 1937, Ben-Gurion wrote in a letter to his 16 year old son Amos: “We must expel the Arabs and take their places…. And, if we have to use force-not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places- then we have force at our di…
And that's the difference between 1937 and the 1920s. In between the Palestinians had committed the 1929 and 1936 massacres which included ethnic cleansing of Jewish communities which predated Arab presence, such as the Jews of Gaza. Interesting to know that your quote is disputed in the original text, as to say the exact opposite.
What’s your point here? What I’m understanding is that you believe that the sentiment that Arabs must be expelled from Palestine is justified.
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Every time these sorts of articles get posted people that express a differing opinion from the standard get flagged (making it so you can't read their post at all) pretty quickly making it seem more like the intention isn't to start discussion. It seems like it's gotten to the point that the people that just get flagged into oblivion stopped trying to post.
It's not just these articles. Having any differing opinions on basically anything now. It's as far from hacking interest as it gets for me.
On the plus side, it does make for an interesting barely scientific way to poll for popularity of a topic on HN. Absolutely not worth it IMHO, but it is at least a bit interesting.