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Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by alsetmusic »

avidphantasm wrote: post #394
roody15 wrote: post #131

MacBook Neo is going to sell like crazy. In the education market, educators, students, aides... nothing close at this price point. With memory and SSD prices so high I don't see how Dell, Asus and others are going to be able to compete. Unless the build quality is significantly worse than a M1 macbook air not sure budget PC makers will be able to compete.

I think the major reason for the aggressive price point of the Neo, and for not raising RAM and SSD upgrade prices in the MBP much, is that Apple is willing to give up some hardware margin to have more devices to sell services to. Unless I am mistaken, services have been key to Apple’s recent revenue growth. This isn’t a bad thing at this point, but could auger poorly if they foolishly chase recurring revenue at the…

> and for not raising RAM and SSD upgrade prices

I expect a price increase. They had a bunch of hardware releases planned far in advance of the supply chain disruption. It'd be a bad look for their new products if they raised the prices on all these new devices at the same time; that'd be the primary discussion everywhere.

The smart move would be to release all your cool new toys at the traditional price points (or very nearly the same) and then raise prices a bit down the road. This way your reviews are strictly about the hardware / products rather than the prices. Bump them in two months. It'll be a big story, but it didn't prevent all the glowing reviews that were already published.

I think the Neo, possibly the 'e' phone, might be the only device(s) that doesn't increase. Taking a hit on 8GB of RAM might be tolerable for market gains when they're charging a kidney and a lung for higher-end devices.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by js2 »

saagarjha wrote: post #450
js2 wrote: post #304

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How so?

It doesn’t require anything from the host

The Apple documentation for using the Virtualization framework with ARM Linux VMs to run x86_64 binaries requires Rosetta to be installed:

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...

So you must be talking about something else, perhaps ARM Windows VMs which use their own technology for running x86 binaries[^1].

In any case, please elaborate instead of being so vague. Thanks.

[^1]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/apps-on-arm-x8...

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by mountainriver »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #451
mountainriver wrote: post #163

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MacBooks are a far superior product, not just a status symbol

Only if what you want to do fits neatly within the walled garden. I personally like my freedom to tinker, and get great performance, functionality, and stability with Linux.

I love linux, but I really love the feel and build of Macbooks, I haven't found any alternative that feels the same. Really wish there was!

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by lostlogin »

amelius wrote: post #391
lostlogin wrote: post #366

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They famously ate their iPod market. It was the most successful consumer electric product ever and they destroyed it. The iPhone has done well.

The smartphone destroyed the iPod. If Apple artificially made the iPhone not capable of playing songs, then people would just buy a Samsung phone (which could play music).

Yes. And Apple led the way.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by simulator5g »

p_ing wrote: post #427
simulator5g wrote: post #284

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Microsoft is responsible for the UX of the ecosystem they create. Things that extend the OS are part of that responsibility. It shouldn't be possible for such a thing to happen. The OS could just show the damn menu after 500ms even if some extension hasn't responded.

The reason the Windows 11 menu changed was to solve for this exact issue.

I don't have anything that hooks into the Windows 11-style menu though. The only additional options in the "Show more options" / Windows 10-style menu are Nvidia stuff which comes with the PC, and Visual Studio, which is Microsoft. This is not caused by some crappy 3rd party app.

The new menu is faster, it takes about .5 to 1 second to appear. Pretty great compared to 10 seconds for the old style menu. Still a very noticeable lag for a simple task on a top-shelf Windows laptop.

To be fair the delays get better when you repeatedly open the context menu. It seems to get everything cached and then it loads in ~0.5 second. But it loses this speed when you don't open the menu for a while.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by saagarjha »

js2 wrote: post #462
saagarjha wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t require anything from the host

The Apple documentation for using the Virtualization framework with ARM Linux VMs to run x86_64 binaries requires Rosetta to be installed: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run... So you must be talking about something else, perhaps ARM Windows VMs which use their own technology for running x86 binaries[^1]. In any case, please elaborate instead of being so vague. Thanks. [^1]: https://learn.mi…

You can just splat whatever support files it needs into the VM there isn't anything special about them. In fact you can copy them onto a different (non-Mac) device and use them there too

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by zbentley »

mounram wrote: post #109
zbentley wrote: post #53

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I once worked on a computer for the US Government that felt slow. I counted nine (9) directly competitive and redundant endpoint protection products on it. Not nine different/only somewhat overlapping pieces of software from companies that were competitors. Nine equivalent products . I guess defender made ten.

Can you elaborate?

How? I’m not going to name agencies or security products if that’s what you mean.

It was a US government owned/issued computer. It had 9 fully overlapping/redundant endpoint security products running. Opening websites took ages. Using specialized apps like IDEs was unlikely to fully or consistently work. As I understand it, this situation is not unusual in government/heavily regulated workstation environments elsewhere.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by Saris »

dangus wrote: post #258
thelastgallon wrote: post #249

Apple is moving into Google's territory, cheap Chromebooks. The right move for Google is to aggressively move forward with their desktop OS and launch their line of laptops. The first pixel laptops had the best keyboards and trackpads ever. Google can nail this if they have the right product person. Apple needs some competition and the legacy PC makers won't cut it. Once again, it has to be Apple vs Google, same as A…

I think this is somewhat ignorant the wide variety of legitimately very decent Windows PC laptops available in the exact same $500-700 price range as the MacBook Neo. Apple isn’t disrupting the industry here. Don’t buy into early influencer review hype. These reviewers don’t actually look at retail store pricing. Apple is just making a decision to go downmarket and making many of the same compromises as other cheap l…

>Seriously, give me a good reason to buy a Neo over a machine like this. What is actually better about the Mac objectively?

The price? Yes the Lenovo is better but it's also $950.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by jen20 »

dangus wrote: post #410
jen20 wrote: post #290

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> Over 900 billion people in the world play PC games on windows, for example. "As of 2026, the world population is approximately 8.3 billion." [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

And only 100 million people globally use Macs as of 2024. The PC gaming market alone is 9x larger than the Mac's install base. https://www.spyhunter.com/shm/macos-stats/ That means a LOT of students who the MacBook Neo appeals to will cross it off their list for the mere fact that they can’t play things like Counter Strike 2/CS:Go on it. If I was a student today and only had $700 budget for all my equipment I’d proba…

9x would not be 900 billion…

I would order a Lenovo laptop off X220 form factor (especially keyboard) and build quality on the spot - hell I’d order two since they don’t have a store in every major metro to get them replaced - but Lenovo have made trash since the early 2010s.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by rldjbpin »

buying a $500 laptop to run a software that costs starting from $99 a year* is a funny situation. anyways, the fact that it works means in terms of architecture the A and M series do not need much work between them, or it has been done already.

with the (premium) chromebook parallels being drawn, having the linux experience, a la chroot, would be a more interesting point for the crowd reading this.

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