Live data from Hacker News

Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

news.ycombinator.com

461–470 of 1001 posts

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#461
post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really interesting to me; I have the opposite belief. My worry is that any idiot can prompt themselves to _bad_ software, and the differentiator is in having the right experience to prompt to _good_ software (which I believe is also possible!). As a very seasoned engineer, I don't feel personally rugpulled by LLM generated code in any way; I feel that it's a huge force multiplier for me. Where my concern abou…

>For short-sighted management, this is all desirable since the sloppy output looks nice in the short term It was a sobering moment for me when I sat down to look at the places I have worked for over my career of 20-odd years. The correlation between high quality code and economic performance was not just non-existing, it was almost negative. As in: whenever I have worked at a place where engineering felt like a true…

I generally agree; for most organizations the product is the value and as long as the product gives some semblance of functionality, improving along any technical axis is a cost. Organizations that spend too much on engineering principles usually aren’t as successful since the investment just isn’t worth it.

But, I have definitely seen failure due to persistent technical mistakes, as well, especially when combined with human factors. There’s a particularly deep spiral that comes from “our technical leadership made poor choices or left, we don’t know what to invest in strategically so we keep spending money on attempted refactors, reorgs, or rewrites that don’t add more value, and now nobody can fix or maintain the core product and customers are noticing;” I think that at least two companies I’ve worked at have had this spiral materially affect their stock price.

I think that generative coding can both help and hurt along this axis, but by and large I have not seen LLMs be promising at this kind of executive function (ie - “our aging codebase is getting hard to maintain, what do we need to do to ensure that it doesn’t erode our ability to compete”).

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#462

++1 Was able to build a large financial application just with the 20 USD subscription in the last 12 month - without Claude, I would have required 5 - 6 people and at least 1 year of funding. This was by far my best investment in my whole life 12x20 USD vs. 750.000 salary :-) It is especially inspiring since it brings you usually a few new ideas into your context; also just joking around with it can yield new inspira…

What is this app and what does it do? Can we see it?

I find it very hard to believe anyone could code anything complicated with Claude that 5-6 competent developers could do.

I am currently working on a relatively complicated UI on an internal tool and Claude constantly just breaks it. I tried asking it to build it step by step, adding each functionality I need piece by piece. But the code it eventually got was complete garbage. Each new feature it added would break an existing one. It was averse to refactoring the code to make it easier to add future features. I tried to point it in the right direction and it still failed.

It got to the point where I took a copy of the code, cut it back to basics and just wrote it myself. I basically halved the amount of code it wrote, added a couple of extra features and it was human readable. And if I started with this, it would have took less time!

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#463
post #431

Is it only possible to have success with paid versions of these LLMs? Google's "Ask AI" and ChatGPT's free models seem to be consistently bad to the point where I've mostly stopped using them. I've lost track of how many times it was like "yes, you're right, I've looked at the code you've linked and I see it is using a newer version than what I had access to. I've thoroughly scanned it and here's the final solution t…

I personally didn't get good results until I got the $100/mo claude plan (and still often hit $180/mo from spending extra credits)

It's not that the model is better than the cheaper plans, but experimenting with and revising prompts takes dozens of iterations for me, and I'm often multiple dollars in when I realize I need to restart with a better plan.

It also takes time and experimentation to get a good feel for context management, which costs money.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#464
post #51

As a principal engineer I feel completely let down. I've spent decades building up and accumulating expert knowledge and now that has been massively devalued. Any idiot can now prompt their way to the same software. I feel depressed and very unmotivated and expect to retire soon. Talk about a rug pull! My experience is that people who weren't very good at writing software are the ones now "most excited" to "create" w…

I feel it is about being disinterested than about being good. the ones who were not interested(whether good or bad) and were trapped in a job are liberated and happy to see it be automated.

The ones who are frustrated are the ones who were interested in doing(whether good or bad) but are being told by everyone that it is not worth it do it anymore.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#465

I have seen more reactions of people about this tech than actual implementations made possible which pushed the boundaries further. It is an amplifier of technical debt in mostly naive(people experienced in bad patterns) user base. Take anthropic for example, they have created MCP/claude code. MCP has the good parts of how to expose an API surface and also the bad parts of keeping the implementation stuck and force w…

Almost like we are making devs dependent on the tool. Not because of its capabilities but because there lacks an understanding of the problem. Like an addiction dependency. We are all crack addicts trying to burn more tokens for the fix.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#466
I like theconcept of being able to quickly turn thoughts into actionable projects but I do miss the financial strain, years of study, trials and tribulations and the blood sweat and tears of the old school journey that created those life-long memories of that aha moment you spent months, if not years trying to achieve. ~Respect The Grind~

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#467
post #315
post #51

As a principal engineer I feel completely let down. I've spent decades building up and accumulating expert knowledge and now that has been massively devalued. Any idiot can now prompt their way to the same software. I feel depressed and very unmotivated and expect to retire soon. Talk about a rug pull! My experience is that people who weren't very good at writing software are the ones now "most excited" to "create" w…

Nah man. I understand the frustration, but this is a glass is half empty view. You have decades of expert knowledge, which you can use to drive the LLMs in an expert way. Thats where the value is. The industry or narrative might not have figured that out yet, but its inevitable. Garbage in, garbage out still very much applies in this new world. And just to add, the key metric to good software hasn't changed, and won'…

Yes, I think this is reasonable.

I have been consistently skeptical of LLM coding but the latest batch of models seems to have crossed some threshold. Just like everyone, I've been reading lots of news about LLMs. A week ago I decided to give Claude a serious try - use it as the main tool for my current work, with a thought out context file, planning etc. The results are impressive, it took about four hours to do a non-trivial refactor I had wanted but would have needed a few days to complete myself. A simpler feature where I'd need an hour of mostly mechanical work got completed in ten minutes by Claude.

But, I was keeping a close eye on Claude's plan and gradual changes. On several occasions I corrected the model because it was going to do something too complicated, or neglected a corner case that might occur, or other such issues that need actual technical skill to spot.

Sure, now a PM whose only skills are PowerPoint and office politics can create a product demo, change the output formatting in a real program and so on. But the PM has no technical understanding and can't even prompt well, let alone guide the LLM as it makes a wrong choice.

Technical experts should be in as much demand as ever, once the delirious "nobody will need to touch code ever again gives way to a realistic understanding that LLMs, like every other tool, work much better in expert hands. The bigger question to me is how new experts are going to appear. If nobody's hiring junior devs because LLMs can do junior work faster and cheaper, how is anyone going to become an expert?

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#468
I like thec concept of being able to quickly turn thoughts into actionable projects but I do miss the financial strain, years of study, trials and tribulations and the blood sweat and tears of the old school journey that created those life-long memories of that aha moment you spent months, if not years trying to achieve. ~Respect The Grind~

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#470
I know a guy who first tried programming at uni using a mainframe. He handed in his first program and was told to retrieve the result the next day. The following day he went to pick up his results and got an error listing. He decided coding wasn't for him. A few years later, he saw a C64 and started coding in BASIC and it turned into a career.

I started out with an 8 bit micro so I really enjoy tinkering and coding. AI doesn't seem attractive at all.

It's not only about what you do, but also about how you do it.

Post reply on HN