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Post by simianparrot »

raincole wrote: post #34

> Video games stand out as one market where consumers have pushed back effectively No, it's simply untrue. Players only object against AI art assets. And only when they're painfully obvious. No one cares about how the code is written. If you actually read the words used in Steam AI survey you'll know Steam has completely caved in for AI-gen code as well. It's specifically worded like this: > content such as artwork,…

Let's not forget No Man's Sky here. Or Elite Dangerous' planet-scale procedural generation using solar system properties to fuel the deterministic but procedural generation of tectonic plates that again seed how a planet's surface is deterministically generated, even down to impact craters over millennia, for a universe of billions of consistent deterministically generated full-scale planets you can land on. Something you couldn't do without proc-gen because there's not enough disk space to store it.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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Post by mejutoco »

bavell wrote: post #270
mejutoco wrote: post #218

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I think txt2img and img2img are terms to find those uses.

And comfyUI workflows. People have been doing this for awhile now.

And stablediffusion-web-ui before that and others, yes.

When googling, txt2img and img2img, or txt2video img2video etc. (for video) are useful terms, since they encapsulate the usage in a few terms. One could search img2video comfyui workflows, for example.

I thought it would be useful for the conversation to provide these terms, not mentioned before in the thread.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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Post by ezst »

wepple wrote: post #381
LetsGetTechnicl wrote: post #265

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It could also end up freeing us from every commercial dependency we have. Write your own OS, your own mail app, design your own machinery to farm with. Lmfao LLM's can barely count rows in a spreadsheet accurately, this is just batshit crazy. edit: also the solution here isn't that every one writes their own software (based on open source code available on the internet no doubt) we just use that open source software,…

Batshit crazy? 3 years ago LLMs couldn’t solve 7x8. Now they’re building complex applications in one shot, solving previously unsolved math and science problems. Heck, one company built a (prototype but functional) web browser And you say it’s crazy that in the future it’ll be able to build a mail app or OS?

JFYI, LLMs still can't solve 7x8, and well possibly never will. A more rudimentary text processor shoves that into a calculator for consumption by the LLM. There's a lot going on behind the scenes to keep the illusion flying, and that lot is a patchwork of conventional CS techniques that has nothing to do with cutting edge research.

To many interested in actual AI research, LLMs are known as the very flawed and limiting technique they are, and the increasing narrative disconnect between this and the table stakes where they are front and center of every AI shop, carrying a big chunk of the global GDP on its back, is annoying and borderline scary.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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Post by angry_octet »

tadfisher wrote: post #429
angry_octet wrote: post #393

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Rogue-like games use the most simple randomisation to generate the next room, and I burnt hundreds of hours in Mines of Moria before I forced myself to quit. Now with an LLM I could have AD&D-like campaigns, photorealistic renders of my character and the NPCs. I could give it the text of an AD&D campaign as a DM and have it generate walking and talking NOCs. The art of those great fantasy artists is definitely being…

Artists want to create. They do not want to tweak prompts and click "Generate" repeatedly until the output matches their vision. I would find this maddening. But this wouldn't make sense anyway. Game companies won't foot the bill for real-time renders of your character, let alone a world of generated NPCs. If/when costs are low enough, and players accept a recurring subscription to play games, then this could happen,…

Why would game companies be paying for rendering on my computer? My computer can fantasise player specific details, in a palette created by game artists, and render them itself.

Game artists could indeed be working in real time in MMORPGs to tweak the world, impresarios of the shared experience. Paying for live human shaped performance art is a great way to keep human creativity central to the experience.

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

alexpotato wrote: post #389
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #215

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Startfield is boring because of the bad writing and they made a space exploration game where there are loading screens between the planet and space and you don’t actually explore space. They fundamentally misunderstood what they were promising, it’s the same as making a pirate game where you never steer the ship or drop anchor. You can prove people are not bored with the concept as new gamers still start playing fall…

This is why Sid Meier's Pirates [0] remains such a great game. It was really a combination of mini-games: - you got steer a ship (or fleet of ships) around the Caribbean - ship to ship combat - fencing - dancing (with the Governors' daughters) - trading (from port to port or with captured goods0 - side quests Each time I played it with my oldest, it felt like a brand new game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier%…

Played this as a kid, genuinely great gameplay loop and felt very immersive at the time.

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

dannersy wrote: post #452
mexicocitinluez wrote: post #397

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You said: > LLMs saving engineers and developers time is an unfounded claim By whom exactly? If I say it saves me time, and another developer says the same, and so on, than it is categorically not unfounded. In fact, it's the opposite. You've completely missed the point if you don't understand how telling other people that their own experience in such a large field is "unfounded" simply because it doesn't line up wit…

Anecdotal evidence, how scientific of you. When I say it's unfounded, I'm saying it hasn't been proven with actual research and data. So when you ask, "by whom?", that's exactly my point, it is unfounded. That's what that word means, no one has made a claim, backed by data, that AI is making significant waves on productivity. I don't think I've missed the point at all, but it seems I hit an emotional nerve with you t…

Do I have to explain to another adult (presumably) what the word "unfounded" means? Are you purposely ignoring the hundreds of articles popping up on this site demonstrating the capabilities of these tools? Are they all lying?

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Post by ezst »

slibhb wrote: post #286
wolvesechoes wrote: post #155

I am bit tired of such discussions. I don't care if LLMs are good at coding or bad at it (in my experience the answer is "it depends"). I don't care how good are they at anything else. What matters in the end is that this tech is not to empower a common person (although it could). It is not here to make our lives better, more worthwhile, more satisfying (it could do these as well). It is there to reduce our agency, t…

> What matters in the end is that this tech is not to empower a common person (although it could). How do you figure? 20 dollars/month is insanely cheap for what OpenAI/Anthropic/Google offer. That absolutely qualifies as "empowering a common person". It lowers barriers! A lot of the anti-AI sentiment on HN concerns people losing their jobs. I don't think this will happen: programmers who know what they're doing are…

> How do you figure? 20 dollars/month is insanely cheap for what OpenAI/Anthropic/Google offer. That absolutely qualifies as "empowering a common person".

This must be sarcasm. This has to be.

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Post by classified »

cess11 wrote: post #211

What weirds me out is that it seems few US corporations care that they don't have copyright to their synthesised code, if the rumours regarding this are correct. If you don't have the copyright, then you can't license or litigate it under the common rules of software. If someone 'steals' it you can at best go after them with some trade secret case, and I suspect this would be limited if you had already shared the cod…

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