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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by eloisant »

baq wrote: post #348
alpinisme wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live June sunrise (with DST) is 5:11am and sunset is 8:21pm (a city on the American east coast). I just can’t imagine a majority of people would want 4:11 rising and 7:21 setting.

Clock is a social contract. China has just one time zone and it seems to work fine.

Not sure how well that works in China, but I like that when I travel I can have a similar schedule compared to home.

I wouldn't want to have to learn a different schedule such as getting up at midnight, having lunch at 04:00 then going to bed at 15:00. That would also make jet lag much worse because you wouldn't be able to rely on your watch to know what activity you're supposed to be doing at the time.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by dnpls »

arcadianalpaca wrote: post #377

The European Parliament voted to end clock changes in 2019 [1] but it got stuck and nothing happened. Meanwhile, BC just goes ahead and does it. I suppose one can still dream... :) [1] https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/end-clock-changes-euro...

When, Europe, when????? Sick and tired of these switches...

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by wink »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #408
wink wrote: post #391

Ignoring the fact itself, doing this in a single province and not the whole country is the really wild thing for me (as a European). I have opinions about DST but having it different per German state sounds much more horrible than anything we have now, no matter how complicated the rules are.

For your entertainment, look up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Arizona#Daylight_savin... Arizona, unlike the rest of the US, does not observe Daylight Savings Time (good!). However the Navajo Nation, whose territory is largely in Arizona, does. However the Hopi Reservation, which is inside the Navajo Nation territory inside Arizona, does not. Let me rephrase that: - The USA does DST - Arizona (in the USA) does…

I get your point and it's certainly and interesting one. But my point was less "oh my, this is unbelievable" but more a question of how much impact it has on everyday life. Again (like in the other thread) quoting Wikipeda, I see ~10k in the Hopi Reservation and 165k in the Navajo Nation, that's not a lot of people.

But of course your point with Arizona stands and I'm wondering if people do mind. Glancing at the map, the only major city just at the border is Las Vegas and I don't assume a lot of cross-border commutes there.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by inejge »

spragl wrote: post #393
dachris wrote: post #333

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In Western Europe this is also quite pronounced. In Białystok, Poland, solar noon is at 11:39. In Vigo, Spain, it's at 13:46, . Being in favor of all-year DST (more sun in the evening is just nice), nice to see that those lucky Spaniards already have it and then some. Whatever the preference for the permanent time, abandoning the switching should be advocated by the software industry. I've yet to work at a company wh…

That sounds like an unnecessary EU standardization. Having the same timezone in Poland and Spain possibly made sense 30 years ago, but now that all communication goes through computers of one kind or another, time conversion is seamless. For those companies that have offices in both countries, and for which the synchronicity matters, it is not that difficult to just have special office hours.

> [The same timezone in Poland and Spain] sounds like an unnecessary EU standardization.

Well, if you look up the histories of the time zones in the respective countries ("Time in Poland" and "Time in Spain" on Wikipedia, I have no reason to doubt their accuracy) you'll see that both settled on CET, with or without daylight savings, long before the EU was even an idea.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by SpecialistK »

brailsafe wrote: post #426
SpecialistK wrote: post #424

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Touche. The rezoning policy is one of the very few things I can give credit for. Since you're discussing BC housing policy, I assume you know of the amazing Uytae Lee?

He's one of my fave local video ppl, fairly sure we live in the same neighbourhood

Please tell him I said hi and that I love the content!!

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by vbarrielle »

theshrike79 wrote: post #383
emptybits wrote: post #15

I'm in BC. The astro-nerd in me would have preferred to see permanent Standard Time instead of a permanent +1 offset. Instinctively, I think morning light is important to our biology for a daily reset and the solar cue of "high noon" is also a real thing. I'm sure I've read that sleep health experts have historically supported a change to permanent Standard Time, not DST. I respect there are economic arguments for pe…

This has to be done in two steps 1) Do ANYTHING you can to stop the clocks being fucked with twice a year. 2) After that is done and stabilised, everything has been updated to non-wobbly time. Now's the time you can start arguing what the exact time zone should be. Never try to argue both at the same time. This is what prevents the EU from stopping the DST madness.

I'm in strong agreement with this. Even though I'd prefer winter time all year round, I would rather enjoy permanent summer time over switching twice a year. And I'm living in France, so my "winter time" is actually already a DST compared to the standard time (France's timezone should be UTC like the UK, but WW2 changed that to UTC+1 and we never switched back), so the "summer time" is actually a "double DST".

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by Ntrails »

kelseydh wrote: post #419
edoceo wrote: post #354

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I've heard it's so parents can get the kids to school at 0800 and then start job a 0900. But why school is out at 1500 and job at 1700 is a mystery.

School ends at 3pm so that the teachers, who work a 9-5 like you, get two hours after class to grade homework and prepare lessons for the next school day.

I do not believe that teachers are working 9-5 if the children are arriving at 8am. Though to be fair I don't either, so doesn't much matter.

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Post by dalmo3 »

tgv wrote: post #435
emptybits wrote: post #15

I'm in BC. The astro-nerd in me would have preferred to see permanent Standard Time instead of a permanent +1 offset. Instinctively, I think morning light is important to our biology for a daily reset and the solar cue of "high noon" is also a real thing. I'm sure I've read that sleep health experts have historically supported a change to permanent Standard Time, not DST. I respect there are economic arguments for pe…

I don't know what time the sun rises in BC, but during the summer the sun rises here at 5 o'clock in DST. That would be 04:00 without. That means people (not everyone can darken their room sufficiently) waking up really early, and that can't be healthy.

Eyemasks are extremely cheap and effective.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by bloak »

These discussions are always very annoying. People tend to state their preferences without mentioning their latitude, their longitude, or their current time zone.

Anyway, here are my preferences: GB should switch to UTC+0 all year. UTC+1 all year was tried (1968-1971) and was very unpopular in Scotland. School hours are roughly 09:00 till 15:00 and they only get about 6 hours of sunlight in winter up north so local noon has to be at around 12:00. Also, for political reasons relating to Northern Ireland, it is very helpful for GB and Ireland to have the same time. So UTC+0 it is.

Seasonal changes in school hours is a theoretical possibility, but parents of schoolchildren have a hard enough time as it is and lots of other things are linked to school hours. It would be much easier for everyone else to make seasonal changes to their timetables, like just get up an hour earlier if you want to. Nobody's stopping you.

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