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Post by killerstorm »

natas wrote: post #383

I recently had dinner in Bellevue with an individual who holds a relatively senior position within Microsoft’s executive leadership. During our conversation, she emphasized repeatedly that Microsoft does not primarily view its offerings as consumer products. According to her, the company’s leadership is strongly focused on B2B strategy, with revenue growth driven mainly by Azure, AI, and enterprise solutions. Her per…

Is this a joke?

IBM market cap is 225B, Microsoft market cap is 2.9T. IBM literally lost its matket to Microsoft in 80s and 90s specifically because it was too focused on enterprise...

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Post by jasomill »

darth_avocado wrote: post #454
dajt wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's been obvious for years. It feels like they're extracting whatever remaining money they can get from the home PC market while it lasts but won't much miss it when it's gone. I'm surprised they haven't given up on xbox and games but perhaps there's enough money there to keep it going.

> home PC market while it lasts Tinfoil hat thought: Microsoft only focuses on B2B and not consumer market, because they make it so that consumers can only rent from Microsoft and other businesses, not actually own anything. That way, Microsoft can keep jacking up prices as they see fit.

Given Office 365 and day-one Game Pass release of all first-party titles, I don't think you need a tinfoil hat to imagine this.

I suspect lingering antitrust concerns are one of the few things standing in the way of locking consumer Windows updates behind a paywall, possibly alongside a "free with ads" version.

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

golddust-gecko wrote: post #412
natas wrote: post #383

I recently had dinner in Bellevue with an individual who holds a relatively senior position within Microsoft’s executive leadership. During our conversation, she emphasized repeatedly that Microsoft does not primarily view its offerings as consumer products. According to her, the company’s leadership is strongly focused on B2B strategy, with revenue growth driven mainly by Azure, AI, and enterprise solutions. Her per…

This is 100% true. You might wonder why, if businesses are the target, why not just make Windows a no-frills, solid base for the other offerings? Why slop it up? The answer there is cultural. Windows needs a large team just to keep supporting it at scale. All those engineers and PMs need career paths, and shiny things with which to sway their managers into promoting them. The strong, experienced, leaders have largely…

> All those engineers and PMs need career paths, and shiny things with which to sway their managers into promoting them.

This mentality is very US-American. The cynic in me says: "Simply move the development to a different country to get rid of this problem." ;-)

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by JasonADrury »

josefx wrote: post #375
JasonADrury wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decent communities that strive for a high standard of conversation like r/credibledefense/ will immediately ban you for posting such nonsense. Go look and tell me that's not one of the best curated communities on the internet, despite specifically covering incredibly controversial topics. HN is good but doesn't even come close.

> r/credibledefense/ The rules they enforce on normal posts are so strict that they have to create daily "mega" threads with less stringend rules just to keep the sub on life support. A+ moderation, clearly a healthy and well managed community.

On life support with those "mega" threads getting 1000+ comments a day?

The split works very well, the megathreads mostly stick to tracking rapidly developing situations in which separate threads would just be spammy and unnecessarily fragment the conversation

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by JasonADrury »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #226
crote wrote: post #158

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An even more important question is: why does Microsoft care so much about a handful of people using that term that they are willing to risk getting Streisanded over it? Nobody cares about banning the few idiots who do nothing but spam "MICROSLOP SUCKS MICROSLOP SUCKS". But banning the entire term "microslop", just in case someone might use it? Well, what kind of response were they expecting ?

This is one of those things that's hard to understand without practical moderation experience. The presence of an insulting meme creates the idiots who spam it, and creates a larger category of people who deploy it to toxify what would otherwise be polite and respectful discussion. And low quality comments that get a couple laugh reacts, even if you can consistently remove them within the hour, are fully capable of p…

> This is one of those things that's hard to understand without practical moderation experience

I don't think so. I think we all know how we'd react if we heard someone casually using "microslop" in real life. They'd seem like they're larping as a Silicon Valley character or something.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

natas wrote: post #383

I recently had dinner in Bellevue with an individual who holds a relatively senior position within Microsoft’s executive leadership. During our conversation, she emphasized repeatedly that Microsoft does not primarily view its offerings as consumer products. According to her, the company’s leadership is strongly focused on B2B strategy, with revenue growth driven mainly by Azure, AI, and enterprise solutions. Her per…

If they aren't focused on consumer products they should stop shoving half baked features into them and let them coast. I can't imagine any enterprise solutions updating windows and being complacent that an LLMA was shoved into their OS overnight.

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Post by Aeolun »

glaslong wrote: post #446
natas wrote: post #383

I recently had dinner in Bellevue with an individual who holds a relatively senior position within Microsoft’s executive leadership. During our conversation, she emphasized repeatedly that Microsoft does not primarily view its offerings as consumer products. According to her, the company’s leadership is strongly focused on B2B strategy, with revenue growth driven mainly by Azure, AI, and enterprise solutions. Her per…

I'm always astounded by the tendency to bet it all on core competencies and wind down every other effort that's profitable but not profitable _enough _ As if times don't change, innovation never happens, and your accessory plays of today are never the overtaking market of tomorrow.

It’s basically management 101. But I’ve gone through that phase and come out the other end believing that outsourcing any of the functions that aren’t commodified enough to switch at a moment’s notice is a terrible idea.

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by johnnyanmac »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #463
golddust-gecko wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is 100% true. You might wonder why, if businesses are the target, why not just make Windows a no-frills, solid base for the other offerings? Why slop it up? The answer there is cultural. Windows needs a large team just to keep supporting it at scale. All those engineers and PMs need career paths, and shiny things with which to sway their managers into promoting them. The strong, experienced, leaders have largely…

> All those engineers and PMs need career paths, and shiny things with which to sway their managers into promoting them. This mentality is very US-American. The cynic in me says: "Simply move the development to a different country to get rid of this problem." ;-)

Well, both are happening. Those remaining want to justify their jobs (because new initiatives are not even being considered). And Microslop wants to become the next IBM and move most development into overseas maintenance instead of innovation, as the competition slow passes them by.

The house always wins long term, though.

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

adornKey wrote: post #34
st_goliath wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're German-speaking: "Klopilot" and "Vibrierkot" are some modern day personal favorites. On a similar, nostalgic note, I recall boot screens for "Sinnlos 98" floating around, back when modifying the bootup logo was a thing.

"Der Ätsch-Browser".

Relevant cultural context from Germany:

In Germany, there exists a popular children's game named "Das verrückte Labyrinth" (in English it's simply named "Labyrinth": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth_(board_game) ).

When you get a corner-shaped card (in German: "Eckkarte")

> https://boardgamegeek.com/image/155268/labyrinth

from the turn of the previous player, your intended move will typically be more complicated to visualize (at least for children) - this is what this game is about - so children tended to name a "Eckkarte" an "Ätschkarte".

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