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A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by ddtaylor »

wraptile wrote: post #413
wredcoll wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, those parents whose kids died from tainted milk products sure were lazy. How dare they cry that the state should do something?

How is giving spoiled milk equivalent to not being able to talk with your child on how the computer works?

The argument is that they are selling a product they know is "spoiled", but the analogy breaks down and actually becomes more like you allow your children to smoke cigarettes or dink alcohol regularly. They often knew they were lying and saying they were over 13 to access services, but hey, your kid can't be the only not one smoking cigarettes or drinking, right?

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by noisy_boy »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #286
nlitsme wrote: post #249

I will start making a list for linux then. rm - ok for all ages. grep - 18+, you can obviously use this to search for porn. find - 18+, see grep. reboot - ok for all ages. echo - ok for all ages. cat - 18+, prints the porn you found directly to your terminal. sudo - 18+, obviously. kill - ok for all ages. This is the US, right. ps - 18+, no peeping at other processes.

> echo - ok for all ages. > cat - 18+, prints the porn you found directly to your terminal. Sound good in theory, until you realise that any teenager knows perfectly well how to trivially get around the lack of `cat` to read their terminal smut: $ while read -r LINE; do echo $LINE; done

I am sick and tired of these teenagers and their sharing of bash oneliners on insta.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by georgefrowny »

jatari wrote: post #313
bmitch3020 wrote: post #290

Reaction 1: how would this even work with embedded systems that have no UI to input this data? Reaction 2: it's open source, make the lawmakers do submit the changes. Reaction 3: how would this ever be enforced? Would they outlaw downloading distributions, or even older versions of distributions? When there's no exchange of money, a law like this is seems like it would be suppression of free speech. Reaction 4: Someo…

It would just be unenforced for all platforms except windows, apple and android. I doubt the california legislature knows what a Linux even is.

The big three will love this. They'll implement the feature, then they get to dob in Linux and friends and get them buried in regulatory lawsuits.

All three already have identity linked accounts. Windows practically shoves it down your throat on install, for example. They'll love the excuse to finally disallow web-free accounts.

Windows servers are so back baby!

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by cyberax »

WalterBright wrote: post #417
cyberax wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not here. It's a natural monopoly, just like sewer lines or electric transmission. Where I live now, I paid $50k to get a private fiber optics line just not to deal with Comcast anymore. There were no other options. We _might_ get AT&T fiber, eventually.

Municipalities normally grant local cable monopolies. But today there are other options. Starlink, for one.

It has not been a monopoly here for the last 2 decades (at least). There also was Wave Broadband nearby they serve some high-rise buildings, I got a private business-class line from them.

But it was not profitable for them to expand normally. They can't offer drastically cheaper service than Comcast, the installation costs in cities are huge. I also have Starlink as a backup, and it's even slower than Comcast.

So yeah, government actually works better than commercial companies for most infrastructural needs. And in particular, municipal broadband is usually head-and-shoulders better than anything from large commercial companies. It has higher consumer satisfaction ratings and is cheaper on average.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by elfly »

9x39 wrote: post #80
fangpenlin wrote: post #67

There's an obvious theme with lawmakers in California—they pass laws to regulate things they have zero clue about, add them to their achievement page, cheer for themselves, and declare, "There! I've made the world a better place." There are just too many examples. For instance: - Microstamping requirements for guns—printing a unique barcode on every bullet casing (Glock gen3 cannot be retired, thus, the auto-mode swi…

I’m more curious in the genesis of these laws, whether their sponsors received written suggestions or ghostwritten bills, etc. as a form of parallel construction. It seems all at once, everywhere that many groups that have a vested interest in forcing precedent and compliance of non-anonymous access across the computer world. It smacks of something less-than-organic.

Conservatives discovered a cheat code to get: (a) people to have to identify on the computer everywhere and (b) control what they can do with and without this identification.

Of course they are copying the play everywhere.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by Dylan16807 »

palmotea wrote: post #267
mbgerring wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USPS Medicaid The National Park System I know that the next step is you explaining why these don’t count, or saying “wow only 3” or whatever, but

> I know that the next step is you explaining why these don’t count, or saying “wow only 3” or whatever, but Oh, there's more: Medicare, Social Security, the highway system. The whole food/medicine regulatory system is also a big one, and it's the reason a lot of US (and European) products like baby formula are imported into China, because they can be more trusted. My bet is the GP's going to weasel out using his "th…

This discussion about the purpose of government is valid as a way to disagree with the "willingly buy" language, but it's still true that most of those examples don't answer the question and to refuse them is not "weaseling out".

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by jmward01 »

vineyardmike wrote: post #408
bmitch3020 wrote: post #290

Reaction 1: how would this even work with embedded systems that have no UI to input this data? Reaction 2: it's open source, make the lawmakers do submit the changes. Reaction 3: how would this ever be enforced? Would they outlaw downloading distributions, or even older versions of distributions? When there's no exchange of money, a law like this is seems like it would be suppression of free speech. Reaction 4: Someo…

While there are some enforcement questions here, especially around non commercial OSes, most of your reactions are clearly based on the headline alone. It defines operating system in the law. This wouldn’t apply to embedded systems and WiFi routers and traffic lights and all those things. It applies to operating systems that work with associated app stores on general purpose computers or mobile phones or game console…

" It applies to operating systems that work with associated app stores on general purpose computers or mobile phones or game consoles. That’s it"

Everything is a general purpose computer. Just look at how many things have been made to run doom. I haven't read the law specifically but if it actually does say this then that language is useless and means practically everything.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by rustystump »

fangpenlin wrote: post #67

There's an obvious theme with lawmakers in California—they pass laws to regulate things they have zero clue about, add them to their achievement page, cheer for themselves, and declare, "There! I've made the world a better place." There are just too many examples. For instance: - Microstamping requirements for guns—printing a unique barcode on every bullet casing (Glock gen3 cannot be retired, thus, the auto-mode swi…

There is a name for it, feel good policies and cali is not unique.

People who dont understand the problem must pass a solution that makes people feel good. Clean needles, homeless hotels, etc. If they dont make things worse, that is a win.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by piloto_ciego »

BuddyPickett wrote: post #436
piloto_ciego wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real solution is that nobody should have power.

No, everybody should have power.

nah, none of us. Power corrupts, pretty much any of it does - so basically we should only have power over ourselves is the only thing I can really think of.
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