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Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

bayindirh wrote: post #291
rkomorn wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 16 hours of audio/video per day was a reference to being alive and hearing/seeing things for years before you actually could learn the alphabet. It was not meant as literally sitting at a screen with audio/video for 16 hours a day.

I know, but the density of the data is much less in human case. IOW, humans still learn more effectively with less information, because there are innate mechanisms which process this data continuously and extract new meanings from the same data. This is part of both intelligence and consciousness. LLMs lack both.

> I know, but the density of the data is much less in human case.

Is that really the case? How much data is it for 4k video, high bitrate auditory, spacial mapping, internal and external nervous system, emotions, and a dataset to correlate all of these in time?

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Post by slaw »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #444
Betelbuddy wrote: post #345

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Saying this is just the market...is like saying housing is a free market after hedge funds buy your entire neighborhood...

Are there regulatory barriers to entering the DRAM market like there are in housing?

China blocked from buying ASML machines?

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by Betelbuddy »

nradov wrote: post #459
Betelbuddy wrote: post #370

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I should point out the relevance of my argument, is completely independent from the fact the reply to this questions of yours, is higher than zero. So dont see this reply as a justification. Just as a note that you failed to do basic diligence on distortions that are well known. And as I said, that are not relevant to the analogy. "When Wall Street Is Your Landlord" - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/20…

That article doesn't support your point. Only a small fraction of the homes in that area are actually owned by hedge funds. You should check the facts before commenting.

You misunderstood me for the second time...

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by embedding-shape »

ErneX wrote: post #451
embedding-shape wrote: post #399

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Yeah, which shows that Valve don't think "these devices or services can no longer procure RAM, SSD or HDD" is actually what'll happen in reality, because then they'd have to cancel the hardware fully. Instead, they're delaying it.

With a likely price increase. Regarding OP, I don’t think they implied this will last forever, but is definitely concerning.

I jumped into the discussion because of this hyperbole:

> to destroy everything we know in tech

Valve (temporarily) increasing the pricing of yet-to-launch hardware wasn't where I thought we'd land at with my first comment, I somehow also have the feeling that that wasn't what GP had in mind either,.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by spockz »

bayindirh wrote: post #249
spockz wrote: post #240

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I have a silent hope that because of this change we all will get ECC ram and that consumer CPUs will get proper support for them.

AMD's RYZEN already supports it. ASUStor's latest generation of NAS devices come with AMD x86_64 processors and ECC RAM as a standard, but ECC RAM in SODIMM format was not cheap, even when the RAM was cheap, either.

I understood that support for ECC ram also depended on the motherboard but not sure. When selecting Ryzens, I only recall seeing many disclaimers for RAM support. Not sure to the causes though.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

jgalt212 wrote: post #431
NikolaNovak wrote: post #362

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But... They're not wrong. That IS the market. Unrestricted, gloriously free market with its historically predictable outcomes - yay! That's not where the interesting discussion is. The interesting discussion is with the notion that free unregulated markets are universally good and will naturally lead to positive outcomes because... I don't know, I'm personally not religious, but somebody here will help me :-).

But these markets are only "free" if you ignore the net $5.5 trillion the Fed has printed post GFC. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WALCL

Don't forget the Republican policy of starve the beast that includes Republicans happily putting the US into un-sustainable debt as a matter of policy, hoping to break the government so badly that Republicans can then enforce unpopular policy they can't get any other way.

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Post by Betelbuddy »

Xunjin wrote: post #421
Betelbuddy wrote: post #364

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Adam Smith had already clarified free market refers to a market free from all forms of economic privilege, monopolies and artificial scarcities. You are confusing market outcome with market structure.

Good point, however we can't miss the history which shows that free market are not achievable, in some fields of economic is seen as "fairy tale".

Even dumb Greenspan already knew we dont want unregulated..."free" markets: https://youtu.be/AWM0l8_F_X0?t=412

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by ffsm8 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #168
ffsm8 wrote: post #166

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> These changes are effective April 1st for existing and new customers. Checking today doesn't really indicate anything. It's worth noting that the hardware price of RAM is up at least 550% yoy, so this was always going to happen as soon as their existing contracts had to be renewed

> > These changes are effective April 1st for existing and new customers. I thought the "effective immediately" mean that April 1st threshold wasn't for the memory...

Mmh, true...

I suspect there are errors on their announcement anyway, I mean there are rows like this on it

    GEX131 (256 GB RAM) 1232,05
    GEX131 (512 GB RAM) 1230,82
    GEX131 (768 GB RAM) 2114,75
Which would mean the 256 version is slightly more expensive then the 512.

Hetzner often feels more like a mom-and-pop store then a corporation because of stuff like that

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Post by timcobb »

everdrive wrote: post #360
octoclaw wrote: post #235

Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…

"The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax." We might also have our aquifers depleted and our electricity prices skyrocket. But at least we see really great benefits, such as being able to script some side-project while unemployed due to AI.

Grim

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Post by BobaFloutist »

xp84 wrote: post #355
Betelbuddy wrote: post #345

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Saying this is just the market...is like saying housing is a free market after hedge funds buy your entire neighborhood...

People love to say that but they own a very small percentage of housing in reality. What’s driving housing costs is also supply and demand. Especially supply, since we’re not allowed to build any houses in most places people want to live.

Which doesn't sound like a free market to me. Capping production to keep asset price high is one of the most straightforward default examples of market-distorting interventions there is.
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