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Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #441
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #6

Ha. I was reading this and thought "euhhhh, I did not give all of that to verify my account". So I went to LinkedIn to check if I have the shield. I then saw - that I just have "work email verified" and that there is a Persona thing I was not even aware of - a post by Brian Krebs at the top of my feed, exactly on that topic: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/bkrebs_if-you-are-thinking-ab...

> that I just have "work email verified" and that there is a Persona thing I was not even aware of Good to know that work email verification doesn't involve Persona. That seems like a reasonable middle ground. Work email is a much lighter ask than handing over government ID and biometrics. Curious, does your verification status persist after you remove the work email (e.g., if you leave that employer)?

> Curious, does your verification status persist after you remove the work email (e.g., if you leave that employer)?

I guess so. To me this is a mini-identity check so LinkedIn probably assumes that if it was fine so far, it will stay that way later.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by frm88 »

aylmao wrote: post #288

I'll note that Persona's CEO responded on LinkedIn [1] pointing out that: - No personal data processed is used for AI/model training. Data is exclusively used to confirm your identity. - All biometric personal data is deleted immediately after processing. - All other personal data processed is automatically deleted within 30 days. Data is retained during this period to help users troubleshoot. - The only subprocessor…

Persona Identity, Inc. is a Peter Thiel-backed venture that offers Know Your Customer (KYC) and Anti-Money Laundering (AML) solutions that leverage biometric identity checks to estimate a user’s age that use a proprietary “liveliness check” meant to distinguish between real people and AI-generated identities.

Once a user verifies their identity with Persona, the software performs 269 distinct verification checks and scours the internet and government sources for potential matches, such as by matching your face to politically exposed persons (PEPs), and generating risk and similarity scores for each individual. IP addresses, browser fingerprints, device fingerprints, government ID numbers, phone numbers, names, faces, and even selfie backgrounds are analyzed and retained for up to three years.

There are so many keywords in there that should raise a red flag, but funded by Peter Thiel should probably be enough.

https://www.therage.co/persona-age-verification/

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by mikkupikku »

torginus wrote: post #456
aylmao wrote: post #288

I'll note that Persona's CEO responded on LinkedIn [1] pointing out that: - No personal data processed is used for AI/model training. Data is exclusively used to confirm your identity. - All biometric personal data is deleted immediately after processing. - All other personal data processed is automatically deleted within 30 days. Data is retained during this period to help users troubleshoot. - The only subprocessor…

My favourite 'thing' in the modern world is that 'we don't process and store your data' has taken to mean - 'we don't process and store your data - our partner does'. Which might not even be stated explicitly, it might be that they just move it somewhere and then pass it on again, at which point its outside the legal jurisdiction of your country's ability to enforce data protection measures. Even if such a scheme is…

"We don't sell your data" translates to "we sell OUR data about you".

They would never admit the data belongs to you while selling it. When they sell it, they declare themselves the owners of that data, which they derived from things you uploaded or told them, so they're never selling your data according to their lawyers.

Another thing they like to do is sell the use or access to this data, without transferring the legal rights to the data, so they can say with a straight face they never sold the data. Google loves this loophole and people here even defend it.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by Biganon »

astura wrote: post #339
SilverElfin wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we believe they are deleted after processing and not shared with the government?

What's the government going to do with a picture of the ID they, themselves issued to you?

TIL the US government issued my Swiss passport

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by Thorrez »

mkl95 wrote: post #245
bachmeier wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good example of why it's insane that nobody at Mozilla cares that they hire CEOs that have only a LinkedIn page. If you want to visit the website of the Mozilla CEO, you have to create an account and log in. No big deal if it's a CEO of a plastics manufacturing company, but when the mission is fighting against the behavior of companies like LinkedIn, it makes me wonder why Mozilla exists.

The CEO role at Mozilla is unstable. Even if Mozilla didn't require a LinkedIn page, chances are their CEOs would have an up to date account. Also, Mozilla's ARR is mostly their Google partnership.

I don't think Mozilla requires a LinkedIn page. bachmeier is complaining that Mozilla's CEO doesn't have a personal webpage, and only has a LinkedIn page. By not having a personal webpage, and having a LinkedIn page, it appears that Mozilla's CEO doesn't really care about the open web.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by mikkupikku »

chowells wrote: post #444
egorfine wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why isn't it neutral or slightly positive? Because KYC is evil in itself and if the linked article does not explain to you why is that then I certainly cannot. > KYC provider would want to protect their reputation more than the average company False. It is exactly the opposite. See, there are no repercussions for leaking customers data, while properly securing said data is expensive and creates operational friction…

I want KYC. I want AML. I want reversible transactions. I also want all of those things to be well regulated by a responsive and reasonable regulatory body. They may have cases where they break down, but their net social impact is positive.

We're talking about LinkedIn, not banking. KYC and AML with respect to banks is a privacy tradeoff that is required by law, after public debate from legally elected representatives. With LinkedIn, it's none of that.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by csmpltn »

register wrote: post #453
foxglacier wrote: post #435

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Is LinkedIn established in a place where Member State law applies? I guess not? You can't just go around pretending your law applies to people in other countries because none of the necessary institutions in those countries will respect your law.

The GDPR applies to the personal data of individuals in the European Union, regardless of where the data is processed. You can easily find the relevant law online.

European governments and institutions have conveniently exempted themselves from GDPR.

And just because it's a law somewhere on earth, doesn't make it reasonable or enforceable or legal.

1. American and European laws have different standards for data processing 2. EU citizens willingly go into a contract with an American company, buying and using American services 3. EU citizens complain American law is different than European law, whilst continuing to use American products 4. EU citizens expect their laws and regulations to apply to American companies

Nobody can reasonably expect American companies to just bend over for whatever the lawmakers in Europe demand. It's an absurd scenario that only the EU can come up with.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by csmpltn »

Barrin92 wrote: post #443
philipallstar wrote: post #167

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> That response reeks of astonishing arrogance. It doesn’t surprise me that nearly 50% of Americans voted for Donald Trump he perfectly embodies that mindset. Do you genuinely believe you are superior to the rest of the world? What you call “innovation” or a “better product” is often nothing more than the creation of dominant market positions through massive, capital deployment, followed by straightforward rent extra…

>why does the US create so much stuff that Europe doesn't? because the "stuff" in question is social networks who live, as the name suggests, off network effects. To have a European LinkedIn would require everyone in Europe to switch at the same time. Which can be trivially arranged, we just would need the courage to ban LinkedIn and every other American social media company. We'd have a clone up and running in a mon…

> "We just would need the courage to ban LinkedIn and every other American social media company. We'd have a clone up and running in a month. You only need to look to China who did exactly this."

That's socialist dictatorship. Why do you want the EU to be more like China, instead of the EU being more like the US? It will result in further isolation and decline of Europe which sorely depends both on the US (and China) for survival.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by mark_l_watson »

andrewjf wrote: post #217
mark_l_watson wrote: post #158

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Beautifully written, I saved your post to send the next friend or relative who asks me why I am so hard-over on privacy. I enjoyed working at Google hears ago as a contractor, and they are my ‘favorite’ tech company - the only mega-tech company who’s services I regularly use, but I am constantly mindful of their business model as I use YouTube, GCP, and their various dev APIs.

being "hard-over on privacy" and regularly using google services is an astounding level of cognitive dissonance.

Except, I only use services I pay for and set tight privacy settings.

EDIT: sorry for the initial short reply, your comment deserved a more reasoned response: I build my digital life on two primary service providers:

Proton: mail, cloud storage, and Luma private LLM chat (integrated web search tool with a strong Mistral model: my default tool that replaces plain web searches, 90% of my routine ‘LLM chat’ use)

Google: Gemini APIs, occasional use of Gemini for deep research, very occasional use of AntiGravity for coding using Claude and Gemini models, YouTube Plus for entertainment (philosophy talks, nature videos, Qi Gong exercise, etc. etc.)

Also some use of:

DuckDuckGo: when I still do web search, DDG is my default.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by csmpltn »

gib444 wrote: post #460
foxglacier wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's right though. Blaming someone else for your own failures is victim mentality - regardless of whether they really are the cause or not. Notice how China managed to break free from US tech dominance, no matter how difficult it was, by making itself strong and capable instead of accepting helplessness which is victim mentality.

I will not take the bait. We all know the meaning of victim of mentality and know it doesn't apply in this discussion.

> I will not take the bait.

I simply asked you to qualify what makes the EU a victim of the US, and why that's somehow the reason for things never being built or done in the EU.

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